Brexit, for once some facts.
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Not surprising really,considering the characters involved
From Open Democracy.org
Theresa May’s director of communications, Robbie Gibb, has re-opened suspicions that British intelligence bugged European Union officials during Brexit talks. Gibb revealed to an audience of senior business figures that Downing Street held “intelligence, including pages and pages of transcriptions of conversations” and knew “what the Europeans are thinking”.
Details of Gibb’s comments to the Enterprise Forum in London earlier this week, which have been obtained by openDemocracy, are understood to have been passed to the office of Michel Barnier, the European Commission’s chief Brexit negotiator.
EU officials, given a full account of what Gibb told the private business gathering, are said to be privately “furious” that Number 10 appeared to be boasting about covert surveillance, rather than the agreed Brexit deal, according to a source connected to Barnier’s deputy, Sabine Weyand.
In August this year Weyand is reported to have privately told the European Council’s Article 50 Working Party to not rule out that British intelligence had penetrated EU private meetings, which evaluated progress on the Brexit talks.
Although the European Commission made no formal comment and lodged no official complaint, there was internal disquiet in Brussels that GCHQ, or another division of British intelligence, had obtained a highly sensitive PowerPoint presentation which offered a critical assessment of Britain’s plans to stay aligned to EU rules.
The document was allegedly obtained the day before May’s Brexit plan was presented to her cabinet at Chequers in July. Later reports suggested that the UK had lobbied at the “highest level” to prevent the European Commission from releasing any negative documents.
From Open Democracy.org
Theresa May’s director of communications, Robbie Gibb, has re-opened suspicions that British intelligence bugged European Union officials during Brexit talks. Gibb revealed to an audience of senior business figures that Downing Street held “intelligence, including pages and pages of transcriptions of conversations” and knew “what the Europeans are thinking”.
Details of Gibb’s comments to the Enterprise Forum in London earlier this week, which have been obtained by openDemocracy, are understood to have been passed to the office of Michel Barnier, the European Commission’s chief Brexit negotiator.
EU officials, given a full account of what Gibb told the private business gathering, are said to be privately “furious” that Number 10 appeared to be boasting about covert surveillance, rather than the agreed Brexit deal, according to a source connected to Barnier’s deputy, Sabine Weyand.
In August this year Weyand is reported to have privately told the European Council’s Article 50 Working Party to not rule out that British intelligence had penetrated EU private meetings, which evaluated progress on the Brexit talks.
Although the European Commission made no formal comment and lodged no official complaint, there was internal disquiet in Brussels that GCHQ, or another division of British intelligence, had obtained a highly sensitive PowerPoint presentation which offered a critical assessment of Britain’s plans to stay aligned to EU rules.
The document was allegedly obtained the day before May’s Brexit plan was presented to her cabinet at Chequers in July. Later reports suggested that the UK had lobbied at the “highest level” to prevent the European Commission from releasing any negative documents.
In that case delete it , as disabled people are normal, why are you suggesting they are not?
I find you offensive, but then that is why you come isn't it?
I tried to delete fingers but it didn't workJeez, the echo is worse than I thought.
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You can, it's very easy. Hover over your user name on the menu bar, then click People You Ignore from the right hand listI tried to delete fingers but it didn't work
Then in the box that appears enter the user name you want to ignore exactly as it appears in the forum. When the confirmation of that name appears below, click Save.
From then on their posts won't appear to you.
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What's the fun in that?
Clearly you're not up to speed with Bell Clan philosophy!
Let me sum it up for you
Masochist cries "Beat me! beat me!"
Sadist responds "No"
Style of thing
And today is St Andrews Day!!!
Surely J & G should simply take back their sovereignty, regain control of their borders, claim 200 mile fishing limits, and so on?Did you see the French are starting to say "Hey! We haven't asked for Guernsey and Jersey back since 1825, now might be the time to have another go."
Actually something like that could be the position if we leave the EU.
The Crown Dependencies enjoy EU borderless access and have many other membership privileges and responsibilities, despite not being in the EU or the UK. They can even export into the EU without the goods landing in their dependency.
But all that is wholly dependent on the UK being a member of the EU and automatically ceases if we leave.
Dependencies like the Isle of Man are now waiting anxiously to see what provisions will be made for them, while frustratingly not being able to commence inquiries until the UK makes up its mind.
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The next best step if you want a Labour government,As you run a business are you sure you want Corbyn’s tax and spend policies?
KudosDave
Hammond said we still need to pay the £39billion even with no deal
he'd tax peole who are ways richer than me. Although I am between LibDem and conservative, I have nothing to fear a JC's administration.
I thought my comment was more towards the jest end than the serious...
Independence ‘may be only option if Brexit deal is bad’
News | Published: Jun 23, 2018
INDEPENDENCE may be the only option left for Jersey if Brexit unfolds unfavourably for the Island, according to Sir Philip Bailhache.
https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2018/06/23/independence-may-be-only-option-if-brexit-deal-is-bad/
Sir Philip is on the right lines. I've been following the effect of Brexit on the Crown Dependencies for some while since I was aware of their EU status. A Brexit deal could result in some of them being in impossible situations while still linked to the UK, but it's such a mess that no-one can tell yet.
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It's long past time that the BBC lost its franchise and the taxpayers' compulsory fees.
Aldous Huxley and George Orwell wrote in the 20th century of a dystopian future which seems to be coming to fruition under the Plutocracy/Oligarchy which has replaced democracy in the UK. Because of 'Brexit', the UK is becoming a country with no future and will slowly wither on the vine if it leaves the EU.
Tom
I like the JRM arguing for a second referendum.
The government that can't even choose someone suitably skilled to dig a hole is probably not able to handle a major issue like brexit.
HS2 rail chief Terry Morgan faces sack over spiralling costs
Morgan, who Chris Grayling described as ‘world class’, set to go after four months in job
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/30/hs2-rail-chief-terry-morgan-faces-sack-over-spiralling-costs
HS2 rail chief Terry Morgan faces sack over spiralling costs
Morgan, who Chris Grayling described as ‘world class’, set to go after four months in job
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/30/hs2-rail-chief-terry-morgan-faces-sack-over-spiralling-costs