As we draw close to 31,000 posts on this topic, It's as good a moment as any to step back and take stock of the facts that have emerged. Here is a brief summary:
FACT!
Tom
FACT!
Tom
Brexit, for once some facts.
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And a descriptive of the motivation of the Brexiteer Politicians?
"The Unspeakable in Pursuit of
Of the Untaxable"
Works for me
From the Independent
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Government hikes fees to renounce British citizenship after Brexit foreign nationality surge
Families must now pay more than £1,000 to Home Office
The Home Office has hiked fees sharply for UK nationals to renounce their British nationality, following a Brexit surge in people adopting the citizenship of other European countries.
Ministers were accused of “cashing in on Brexit” and giving Britons living on the continent a “last kick out the door” after it emerged fees were quietly raised to more than £1,000 for a family of three.
Many of the 1.3 million British people living abroad in other EU countries have sought foreign citizenship since the EU referendum in a bid to head-off the uncertainty caused by the decision to leave the bloc.
Well now, it's all the EU's Fault, Innit Guv?
They should never have made us vote to leave......
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Government hikes fees to renounce British citizenship after Brexit foreign nationality surge
Families must now pay more than £1,000 to Home Office
The Home Office has hiked fees sharply for UK nationals to renounce their British nationality, following a Brexit surge in people adopting the citizenship of other European countries.
Ministers were accused of “cashing in on Brexit” and giving Britons living on the continent a “last kick out the door” after it emerged fees were quietly raised to more than £1,000 for a family of three.
Many of the 1.3 million British people living abroad in other EU countries have sought foreign citizenship since the EU referendum in a bid to head-off the uncertainty caused by the decision to leave the bloc.
Well now, it's all the EU's Fault, Innit Guv?
They should never have made us vote to leave......
this has really not much to do with brexit. Most Britons do not have to renounce their British nationality when they apply for naturalisation in another country like the Benelux, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Israel etc.
Only a tiny number of countries do not allow dual nationality.
And having the odd billion or two helps if Israel happens to be your choice, and you are Russian !
that's Tugendhat's own ambition to give more importance to him and his committee.
The longer this 'Brexit' business has dragged on, the clearer it has become that the government has become bogged down in a mire of its own creating. We have a Prime Minister who is simply a patsy as none of the intelligent members of her party wanted the job after Ca-moron's ignominious departure.
May's authority has been diminished by her mistake of mis-reading the signs and calling an election, in the hope of gaining greater power. That was only one in a string of mistakes by the woman, both as Home Secretary and in her temporary position as party leader but perhaps her greatest mistake is proving to be her misguided decision to bribe the representatives of the protestant terrorist groups in NI to sustain her party in the Commons.
The leader of the DUP now appears to be more powerful than the PM and May is stuck between a rock and a hard place. The moderate, left-of-centre 'VoxPolitical' expresses the situation like this:
northern-ireland-abortion-issue-shows-theresa-may-is-arlene-fosters-slave
I'd say this is a factual representation of the 'Brexit' facts at this time.
Tom
Have you watched BBC McMafia?And having the odd billion or two helps if Israel happens to be your choice, and you are Russian !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05pksm8/episodes/guide
Although I was aware of this news from another source, I hadn't actually seen the 'Guardian' piece on the matter. It's very concise and tells the story accurately in my opinion:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/24/uk-chasing-a-fantasy-in-brexit-talks-top-eu-official-warns
Tom
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/24/uk-chasing-a-fantasy-in-brexit-talks-top-eu-official-warns
Tom
The article does not name the source, how can it be accurate if that is not the EU's official statement?
It's just froth from the Guardian.
The EU does not have to agree with the UK's position, therefore we'll likely arrive in October with not much of a deal other than agreeing to a possible further extension of the transition.
With respect it has everything to do with Brexit, for otherwise, why would anyone choose to relinquish British Nationality?
It's hardly reassuring that the Future of the Nation rests in incapable hands, and that is most definitely NOT a Typo
some time they have to because their new country (such as Singapore, Austria, India, Saudi Arabia) does not allow dual nationality.
It is often a family choice, you can't for example, buy a property on the local market if you don't have the local citizenship. The admin costs have nothing to do with brexit.
Personally I'm not the World's biggest Fan of Coincidence when putting up the charges just happens to occur when so many expats in the EU are abandoning this particular sinking ship. it's rather like a Headline
Titanic Sinks, brief contact with iceberg dismissed as coincidence,
or even an actual headline from 1915
Mysterious Fire Broke out over large areas of London last night
In an unconnected incident Zeppelins were spotted overhead.
That particular headline caused a public outrage!
An odd effect of a recent irish referendum.
It will have come to your attention that the RoI held a referendum last week on whether a certain article in our Constitution should be removed. This article provided for an equal right to life in the womb of a baby\ foetus as the woman carrying the baby\foetus. With it passing, the Irish state will be open to legislate on terms for abortion. It is anticipated that such legislation will pass in the coming months. That will leave NI as the only section of these isles where there is no provision. The DUP is strongly opposed .
A head of steam is building up in the UK to force a vote on this topic . Whether this is simply mischief making by liberals and a policy to drive a wedge between Westminster and the DUP or due to some deep seated desire for equality I will not speculate, but it has the potential to sunder any agreement between those two entities. Make no mistake, the DUP would see this as a fundemental breach of trust and they could very well refuse to honour any prior agreement.
It will have come to your attention that the RoI held a referendum last week on whether a certain article in our Constitution should be removed. This article provided for an equal right to life in the womb of a baby\ foetus as the woman carrying the baby\foetus. With it passing, the Irish state will be open to legislate on terms for abortion. It is anticipated that such legislation will pass in the coming months. That will leave NI as the only section of these isles where there is no provision. The DUP is strongly opposed .
A head of steam is building up in the UK to force a vote on this topic . Whether this is simply mischief making by liberals and a policy to drive a wedge between Westminster and the DUP or due to some deep seated desire for equality I will not speculate, but it has the potential to sunder any agreement between those two entities. Make no mistake, the DUP would see this as a fundemental breach of trust and they could very well refuse to honour any prior agreement.
TM said that it was an NI affair and she couldn't get involved. Apparently Scotland voting against brexit isn't a Scottish affair and so she is getting involved.
The mysteries of "devolved" politics in the not so united UK...
It's clear that devolvement doesn't work, a country within a union has to be wholly in or wholly out.
It's clear in Scotland with the Brexit difference.
It's clear in N.I. with both the abortion differences and the e-bike law shambles.
It's clear in relation to the EU where our wanting to be out of some issues but in with others is proving impossible.
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but it's just coincidence, in the same way Royal Mail put up the price of their stamps. Try to remember how much we paid for second class stamp before the privatisation of RM.
The admin charges for passport and citizenship go up every few years, you can see the effect of government privatising the Home Office. They contract out the job to private companies and put the price of these services by about 15% across the board.
If you check, the cost of naturalisation is now £1,330 reduced to £1,000 for the CW citizens. I did not pay anything like that. I can't remember but it was a fairly modest amount, about £200.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/691774/Nationality-MasterFeesLeaflet_2018_Final_06-04-18.pdf
if you said so. I am not aware of it. This is a devolved matter for the local government.
Maybe JC has a view on it, but the conservatives are too busy fighting among themselves, I can't see TM getting involved.
It will probably get worse. Inspired by the example of university fees that have to be paid back later in life, next there could be a charge for being born, slapped on each at birth and having to be paid back in working life.
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