Hell's Teeth Flecc!
Remember the old "Even the walls have ears?
Now look what you've done...... the Menwith Hill Boys and Girls will have that suggestion on TM's desk by tomorrow morning!
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Remember the old "Even the walls have ears?
Now look what you've done...... the Menwith Hill Boys and Girls will have that suggestion on TM's desk by tomorrow morning!
the Galileo project illustrates how difficult and expensive brexit is and will be.
although I suspect that brexit may be expensive but I never suspect how much we will have to spend/invest to duplicate all things we take for granted as a member of the club, things such as norms and certification bodies, medecine, airspace and galileo. It's not so much that it is impossible for the UK to go it alone, it's just that we will need decades to play catch up if we were to go it alone.
although I suspect that brexit may be expensive but I never suspect how much we will have to spend/invest to duplicate all things we take for granted as a member of the club, things such as norms and certification bodies, medecine, airspace and galileo. It's not so much that it is impossible for the UK to go it alone, it's just that we will need decades to play catch up if we were to go it alone.
But Woosh some of us saw exactly those costs and expenses even before the brexit referendum. The big difference between 1800 and now is that as the UK was developing its industrial prowess and setting these standards, it had the wealth of canada, India and swathes of China and Africa and sugar from the Caribbean and captive markets . It simply does not have the resources to go it alone a second time.
As I do my shopping in a French supermarket, I note that English is just a minority market.. all the goods are labelled in French, some also in Spanish and German and the other languages will be Dutch and maybe Italian.... This shows where the distribution channels are centred.
Amazing that people didn't listen to the warning voices, dismissing them as pessimistic and unpatriotic.
And still in the main they can't bring themselves to see they were mislead and made a mistake.
A generation long campaign of lies and misinformation, and exaggerated hopes have got us into this mess
What follows has a certain inevitability that will cost us all dearly.
We have simply no chance of making a success on our own for so many reasons it would be simpler to recreate Frankenstein's monster and re-animate it using old body parts.
Does anyone actually believe that ANY of the Politicians can pull off the Miracle we are going to need?
It has an awful lot to do with the current government which is, we are told, managing the leaving.
In my view, governments can decide to profit from many of their activities and services. Obvious example include selling off spectrum for mobile phone usage. But there should be clarity. A fee - labelled as a fee - should be pitched to cover costs. Anything else is, really, one form or another of taxation and should be shown as such.
If the fee has been increased to cover costs, were they losing money hand over fist before? Or have costs rocketed? If so, why?
Fully agreed, and as Danidl says, many of us already knew it from the outset.
Some while ago I posted about a discussion that my brother and I had about our EU membership, held long before there was any thought of leaving it. We were both agreed that leaving the EU had become impossible due to the breadth and depth of our engagement with every aspect of it.
The government's dodge of the Great Repeal Bill to write all existing EU law applying to us into UK law is clearly just one admission of the impossibility of disentanglement.
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In the Guardian George Soros wrote this
"“Best for Britain fought for, and helped to win, a meaningful parliamentary vote which includes the option of not leaving at all. This would be good for Britain but would also render Europe a great service by rescinding Brexit and not creating a hard-to-fill hole in the European budget."
Did they really? can anyone confirm either way?
"“Best for Britain fought for, and helped to win, a meaningful parliamentary vote which includes the option of not leaving at all. This would be good for Britain but would also render Europe a great service by rescinding Brexit and not creating a hard-to-fill hole in the European budget."
Did they really? can anyone confirm either way?
They could hold a referendum. In which case it wouldn't be the UK government making a decision, it wouldn't be Stormont making a decision, it would be the voters.
Perhaps referendums aren't flavour of the month? Something to do with how they can be manipulated, how some camps might overspend, how the result of asking a nebulous question is an answer that means different things to different people.
You can hear the slogan - "Abortion means abortion." Or, so as not to be seen to be prejudging the result "No abortion means no abortion." But maybe not on demand, maybe in some circumstances and not others, maybe allowed but not funded?
Meandering here... But yet another messy situation which the government seems unable to handle.
It's the Conservative way! I wonder how far away we are from a tax on the air that we breathe?
Tom
A family story - and I never did get to know the full details - when my sister was born in Malta, there was a six-penny charge "For Act of Birth". Always got the impression that she even had a receipt for it.
Whilst we await the next statement from the PM's office or the EU negotiators on the discussions in Brussels, I was amused by this piece of character assassination delivered by George Galloway on by far the biggest plonker in parliament:
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from George Soros (who has American citizenship):
"Best for Britain fought for, and helped to win, a meaningful parliamentary vote which includes the option of not leaving at all. This would be good for Britain but would also render Europe a great service by rescinding Brexit and not creating a hard-to-fill hole in the European budget.
But the British public must express its support by a convincing margin in order to be taken seriously by Europe. That’s what Best for Britain is aiming for by engaging the electorate. It will publish its manifesto in the next few days.
The EU is in an existential crisis. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. The economic case for remaining a member of the EU is strong, but it will take time for it to sink in.
During that time the EU needs to transform itself into an association that countries like Britain would want to join, in order to strengthen the political case."
I reckon it will be just as difficult for the EU to reform itself as for brexit to disentangle the UK. There is no provision in various EU treaties to step back from further integration, the principal fuel for euroscepticism.
The Euro itself is going through a bad patch with the rise of euroscepticism in Italy. This time, the problem is systemic, the 3% limit on budget deficit suits Germany but obviously not Italy and Italy is not the only country that feels that straight-jacket.
"Best for Britain fought for, and helped to win, a meaningful parliamentary vote which includes the option of not leaving at all. This would be good for Britain but would also render Europe a great service by rescinding Brexit and not creating a hard-to-fill hole in the European budget.
But the British public must express its support by a convincing margin in order to be taken seriously by Europe. That’s what Best for Britain is aiming for by engaging the electorate. It will publish its manifesto in the next few days.
The EU is in an existential crisis. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. The economic case for remaining a member of the EU is strong, but it will take time for it to sink in.
During that time the EU needs to transform itself into an association that countries like Britain would want to join, in order to strengthen the political case."
I reckon it will be just as difficult for the EU to reform itself as for brexit to disentangle the UK. There is no provision in various EU treaties to step back from further integration, the principal fuel for euroscepticism.
The Euro itself is going through a bad patch with the rise of euroscepticism in Italy. This time, the problem is systemic, the 3% limit on budget deficit suits Germany but obviously not Italy and Italy is not the only country that feels that straight-jacket.
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One slight problem with this statement
"There is no provision in various EU treaties to step back from further integration, the principal fuel for euroscepticism."
There doesn't need to be does there? Cameron negotiated an agreement to there being no further integration on behalf of the UK before the referendum, didn't he?
Apparently much of what we are told about the EU is either not true, or negotiable....
I mean the Commission cannot for example rescind their previous directives and various other regulations and targets to reduce the level of integration.
I give you the example of FOM. Reforms of the FOM system are possible but very difficult. For example: members cannot repatriate unsuccessful job seekers, even if the latter turn to illegal street begging or petty crimes.
From the Express
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Brexiteer dismantles 'HUGELY EXAGGERATED' border issue with THIS brilliant point
BREXITEER Owen Paterson dismantled claims the Irish border issue is delaying new trade arrangements with the European Union and cannot be solved with the use of technology.
The border is not a tax control point. Nothing happens at the border itself, everything happens at the point of shipment and the point of landing."
Mr Paterson continued, saying adopting plans to use GPS to track traded goods could help resolve the stalemate: "Shipments go every day, nearly always on the same route, on the same carriers. All of this can easily be handled by trusted traders or advanced economic operators.
"If there are going to be practical solutions – and the head of UK customs Jon Thompson, the head of Irish customs and lastly a big EU guy who’s on the customs union board – they all say these problems are solvable with modern technology."
Is this man right in the head? this country has already proven untrustworthy over Tariffs in the past.
Trusted Traders? Oh Sure!
What he is proposing would give no control whatever over the content of lorries meremy because you can trace where they are.
Of course nothing happens at the Border while both countries are EU members!
It amounts to a Smugglers Charter, and incredibly the Express thinks it's a good idea?
Al you have to do is pull into a layby and swop trailers!
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Brexiteer dismantles 'HUGELY EXAGGERATED' border issue with THIS brilliant point
BREXITEER Owen Paterson dismantled claims the Irish border issue is delaying new trade arrangements with the European Union and cannot be solved with the use of technology.
The border is not a tax control point. Nothing happens at the border itself, everything happens at the point of shipment and the point of landing."
Mr Paterson continued, saying adopting plans to use GPS to track traded goods could help resolve the stalemate: "Shipments go every day, nearly always on the same route, on the same carriers. All of this can easily be handled by trusted traders or advanced economic operators.
"If there are going to be practical solutions – and the head of UK customs Jon Thompson, the head of Irish customs and lastly a big EU guy who’s on the customs union board – they all say these problems are solvable with modern technology."
Is this man right in the head? this country has already proven untrustworthy over Tariffs in the past.
Trusted Traders? Oh Sure!
What he is proposing would give no control whatever over the content of lorries meremy because you can trace where they are.
Of course nothing happens at the Border while both countries are EU members!
It amounts to a Smugglers Charter, and incredibly the Express thinks it's a good idea?
Al you have to do is pull into a layby and swop trailers!