Brexit, for once some facts.

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From the Independent
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Brexit: Theresa May pledges to publish white paper with 'precise explanations' on key aspects of Britain’s post-EU vision
The paper is also set to address the vexed issue of future customs arrangements, with the cabinet yet to agree on how to proceed"
All will be revealed in a Ministerial Broadcast


And the anthem at the end could have been written with Boris, Gove, Davis and Fox in mind!

That should get a laugh :cool:
 
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we are getting close to being hilarious.
first, we mustn't reveal our negotiating tactics, even if we don't have any, then now the latest thinking of the Daily Express is that if NI and Scotland want to leave the UK, let them.
 
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This strikes me as relevant, particularly now that everyone understands that the government has made a complete arse of the mandate they claim to have been given:

Tom
Think of the likely result.
Remain is likely to win according to recent polls but the margin would still be too small.
Without a clear cut result, only a soft brexit gets possibly sufficient support and we all know that a soft brexit will leave both sides disappointed.
Wait until we are near the end of the transition, then the margin will be clear cut, like 60/40, one way or the other.
 
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Remain is likely to win according to recent polls but the margin would still be too small.
Without a clear cut result, only a soft brexit gets possibly sufficient support and we all know that a soft brexit will leave both sides disappointed.
I disagree. Even a small margin against 'Brexit' means it would no longer be proceeded with, if not abandoned for at least a generation.

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I disagree. Even a small margin against 'Brexit' means it would no longer be proceeded with, if not abandoned for at least a generation.

Tom
a small margin will not settle the matter. The losing side will claim a stitch up by the media, the government, the Russians, the CIA, the illuminati etc..
We need stability even when we can't have our first choice, so we need a clear cut result rather than just another advisory result.
 

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Our politicians really do seem to lack imagination and the guile necessary to succeed. Take the Brexit problems that the EU isn't being very compliant and the USA doesn't look like it will be taking lots more imports from us.

The simple answer is to do like NATO Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is doing, change sides.

In other words start cosying up to Russia and open talks about potential trade co-operation and them having a naval base here on the edge of the Atlantic. That's something they'd dearly love, their fleets stuck either in icy northern waters or cooped up in the Black Sea.

Of course the EU and USA would be very alarmed at that move, as they are with Turkey's, so we could expect quite a change in how co-operative they'd both become with us in our Brexit and trade discussions.
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Erdogan hasn't changed side. He has bought some S400 system from the Russians but that's not changing enough.
Brexiteers want to fall out of and with the EU, a clear brexit, that's properly changing side.
 

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Erdogan hasn't changed side. He has bought some S400 system from the Russians but that's not changing enough.
It is enough, showing co-operation and dependence and rattling the rest of NATO. The US predictably tried threats but Turkey has rejected those and is making a stand.
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Hatti @ Woosh will be on BBC Essex tomorrow morning.
She will explain how brexit will affect Woosh bikes.
 

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a small margin will not settle the matter. The losing side will claim a stitch up by the media, the government, the Russians, the CIA, the illuminati etc..
We need stability even when we can't have our first choice, so we need a clear cut result rather than just another advisory result.
Not so: the only answer that will do is this.
Cancel Brexit.
 

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Not so: the only answer that will do is this.
Cancel Brexit.
the only way to cancel brexit is for Vince Cable to become PM.
It's not likely though.
 
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A little comedy in the Daily Mirror, where there is either an odd sense of humour prevailing or there is a dire need for a Proof Reader!
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Flailing East Coast rail franchise will be renationalised within WEEKS and given new name in massive 'bailout' for Virgin Trains
The line from London to Edinburgh will be taken back into public control on June 24 in what Labour has branded a massive taxpayer-funded "bailout"

And of course you have to ask.
Aren't Labour supposed to be intending to Nationalise the Railways?
(Maybe without payments being made.?)

he entire board will be scrapped and reappointed, a state 'Operator of Last Resort' will run the railway, and it will be handed back its historic name - London and North Eastern Railway (LNER).

Here we go LNER rises like a Phoenix from the grave of Privatisation.
 
the only way to cancel brexit is for Vince Cable to become PM.
It's not likely though.
That's not the only way, by any means. Its one way... but its not the only way.

Don't forget government is a popularity contest and they know lots of people voted in referendum for first and therefore in many cases the last time, those voters won't turn out for an election. All it takes if for parliament, not even government to start to realise their jobs and place in history depend on doing the right thing.

There are many ways this can be stopped, and many of them are already in motion.
 
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Love it, brexit with a small b and Woosh with a capital W. ;)

Perhaps Hatti should be saying how Woosh bikes will affect Brexit. :)
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I must subconsciously be thinking that there are more than one brexit.
 
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