.. How generous of you to offer it to OT, well its not that its being excercised much at present....
Brexit, for once some facts.
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There may be more to the Damian Green story than the party media wing has let be known......
Tom
Tom
Let's hope so,because the reason we are currently very busy with the EU is the strength of the Euro v £.
Shemozzle....do you know what form the trading will take on March 30?
KudosDave
If you have ever doubted the honesty and integrity of the tory government, Mrs Maybe makes it pretty clear here how tory principles of honesty, truth and justice work for the benefit of all............well, all of the 5%!
Those who vote for such corrupt, murderous oxygen thieves really need to search their consciences.
Tom
Those who vote for such corrupt, murderous oxygen thieves really need to search their consciences.
Tom
It's an interesting piece of work,it wasn't dated I suspect now a bit out of date....it does rely on us joining EFTA ,which Norway have already says doesn't want us.
Like so many Leaver wish lists there is a lot of hope factor,not least that it assumes that Liam Fox will quickly sign up the 50 odd deals that the EU have already achieved....do you honestly have any confidence in Fox achieving what will be a big task.
It doesn't discuss services,the UK service industry is a big contributor to our economy,can we afford to lose it.
Some of the WTO tariffs are awful rates,food especially....the products which are on high rates are products which would hit the poor in the UK particularly hard....it is true that if we can establish trade deals with countries that we particularly need for food imports then food tariffs could be reduced,but how quickly can these deals be achieved and ultimately how would we protect our own farmers....New Zealand lamb is a prime example. Can the poor in our country survive whilst we are organising ourselves....you cannot imagine that Hammond has the cash or will to increase benefits,tax credits and replace EU farm subsidies.
It's a post Brexit world looked through rosy glasses.
KudosDave
Did not you say previously we will still buy German cars?
https://www.thelocal.de/20171206/brexit-has-sapped-demand-for-german-cars-auto-industry-confirms.
So a deal has been struck, has it?
From the Guardian
"“No red line down the Irish Sea,” Foster told Sky News, and “very clear confirmation that the entirety of the UK is leaving the single market and the customs union … There are still matters there that we would have liked to see clarified – we ran out of time.”
So where and what is the Border to be?
From the Guardian
"“No red line down the Irish Sea,” Foster told Sky News, and “very clear confirmation that the entirety of the UK is leaving the single market and the customs union … There are still matters there that we would have liked to see clarified – we ran out of time.”
So where and what is the Border to be?
The demand for all cars has fallen in the UK this year and that 2% reduction in buying German isn't an exception.
The fall is said to be due both to people being increasingly in credit debt and the reluctance to buy new diesels.
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Not so.
The EFTA is not a customs union and member states have full rights to enter into bilateral third-country trade arrangements
Correct EFTA, is not a trading organisation. Its members are either in the EEA, or Switzerland with its own deal.
Either way, the UK joining EFTA / EEA would open up a can of worms in the shape of being in the Schengen zone.
Oh, and if anyone wants a read the House of Lords has dones some impact assessments.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201719/ldselect/ldeucom/46/4607.htm#_idTextAnchor097
it looks like we are going for the Swiss model.
From 1/1/2021, the date when we effectively leave the economic EU, we'll be out of the SM and CU but start copy and paste a lot of EU directives into our laws.
From 1/1/2021, the date when we effectively leave the economic EU, we'll be out of the SM and CU but start copy and paste a lot of EU directives into our laws.
Switzerland, who are in Schengen zone.... taking back control? can you really see ths happening??
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-countries-list/
I wonder how many as received will include the ECJ as the final arbiter?
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Switzerland is land-locked by Schengen countries, also, there was de facto a common travel area between Switzerland and France, Italy, Germany before Schengen, a lot of border posts weren't manned. I don't expect ROI joining Schengen.
The main benefit of the Swiss model is that it does not walk over two of the red lines, SM and CU. It will fudge the other two: role of the ECJ and FOM. On the ECJ, it will be watered down to indirect role (copy and paste) and we will eventually accept practical FOM after 2021.
Is it not true that all new car sales are down,not just German Cars...I have just bought a new Audi A6 All Road....absolutely love it.
Maybe people are having second thoughts because of Brexit uncertainty.
KudosDave
The more detail that emerges of the consequences the worse Brexit looks.
There is simply no "Upside" to this rash act of self harm.it is going from merely an inconvenience into being the worst disaster short of a world war that the nation has ever faced.
Wishful Thinking is all that we have seen from the leave campaign, and absolutely nothing whatsoever that can be seen to be encouraging.
The last time I recall such crass stupidity was at Windscale and there are parallels in the way that information affair was handled
From Wikipedia
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During construction, Terence Price, one of the many physicists working on the project, began to consider what would happen if one of the fuel cartridges being pushed out the back of the core were to break open. This could happen, for example, if a new cartridge being inserted was pushed too hard, causing the one at the back of the channel to fall past the relatively narrow water channel and strike the floor behind it. In that event, the hot uranium could catch fire, with the fine uranium oxide dust being blown up the chimney to escape. When he raised the issue at a meeting and suggested that filters be added to the chimneys, the concern was dismissed as being too difficult to deal with and was not even recorded in the minutes. Sir John Cockcroft, leading the project team, was alarmed enough to order that filters be installed, which required them to be constructed on the ground while the chimneys were still being built, and then winched into position at the top once the chimney's concrete had set.[11] These became known as "Cockcroft's Folly" by workers and engineers.
In the end, Price's concerns came to pass. So many cartridges missed the water channel that it became routine for staff to walk through the chimney ductwork with shovels and scoop the cartridges back into the water.[12] On other occasions, fuel cartridges became stuck in the channels and burst open while still in the core.[13] In spite of these precautions and the stack filters, scientist Frank Leslie discovered radioactivity around the site and the village, but this information was kept secret, even from the staff at the station.
And then of course the pile caught fire and burned for three days, as no one knew how to kill the fire till at the last moment they flooded it with C02, even though they had no idea of the consequences, This didn't work either as the fire was so hot it stripped the Oxygen! so finally they used water
"On the morning of Friday 11 October, when the fire was at its worst, eleven tons of uranium were ablaze."
And the moral of the story is that those involved were the very Cream of our Scientists, rather a sobering thought.
And at the moment no one in their right mind could accuse the political players in this drama except with a line my old Father was so fond of
"Nothing is Foolproof to the Talented Fool!"
We are not in the hands of people we can afford to trust and never have been.
There is simply no "Upside" to this rash act of self harm.it is going from merely an inconvenience into being the worst disaster short of a world war that the nation has ever faced.
Wishful Thinking is all that we have seen from the leave campaign, and absolutely nothing whatsoever that can be seen to be encouraging.
The last time I recall such crass stupidity was at Windscale and there are parallels in the way that information affair was handled
From Wikipedia
"
During construction, Terence Price, one of the many physicists working on the project, began to consider what would happen if one of the fuel cartridges being pushed out the back of the core were to break open. This could happen, for example, if a new cartridge being inserted was pushed too hard, causing the one at the back of the channel to fall past the relatively narrow water channel and strike the floor behind it. In that event, the hot uranium could catch fire, with the fine uranium oxide dust being blown up the chimney to escape. When he raised the issue at a meeting and suggested that filters be added to the chimneys, the concern was dismissed as being too difficult to deal with and was not even recorded in the minutes. Sir John Cockcroft, leading the project team, was alarmed enough to order that filters be installed, which required them to be constructed on the ground while the chimneys were still being built, and then winched into position at the top once the chimney's concrete had set.[11] These became known as "Cockcroft's Folly" by workers and engineers.
In the end, Price's concerns came to pass. So many cartridges missed the water channel that it became routine for staff to walk through the chimney ductwork with shovels and scoop the cartridges back into the water.[12] On other occasions, fuel cartridges became stuck in the channels and burst open while still in the core.[13] In spite of these precautions and the stack filters, scientist Frank Leslie discovered radioactivity around the site and the village, but this information was kept secret, even from the staff at the station.
And then of course the pile caught fire and burned for three days, as no one knew how to kill the fire till at the last moment they flooded it with C02, even though they had no idea of the consequences, This didn't work either as the fire was so hot it stripped the Oxygen! so finally they used water
"On the morning of Friday 11 October, when the fire was at its worst, eleven tons of uranium were ablaze."
And the moral of the story is that those involved were the very Cream of our Scientists, rather a sobering thought.
And at the moment no one in their right mind could accuse the political players in this drama except with a line my old Father was so fond of
"Nothing is Foolproof to the Talented Fool!"
We are not in the hands of people we can afford to trust and never have been.
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Theresa May has caved in to the EU on every red line. No wonder Rees-Mogg said her red lines were going pink,looks to me they have turned white.
Tony(flecc) you were absolutely right that regulatory alignment was a misunderstood packaging of staying in the customs union and the single market,the only real solution to the Irish border problem.
Would love to hear what the 35 Tory bastards think of this deal. Gove and Johnson did their tart bit going with the winner of the moment,but I bet Bone and Redwood are spitting blood,hehe.
Interesting what Farage makes of it.
Good that we are loading all EU laws into our system because we will be answerable to the EU for many years to come.
Question Time from Barnsley next week,will be interesting what Brexiter from Barnsley thinks of it.
I just hate all the hassle and expense to basically stay where we are now,without a seat at the table.
I dont blame May for taking the easy,actually the only,option,she didnt get much support from her party,too late to get rid of her now.
KudosDave
Tony(flecc) you were absolutely right that regulatory alignment was a misunderstood packaging of staying in the customs union and the single market,the only real solution to the Irish border problem.
Would love to hear what the 35 Tory bastards think of this deal. Gove and Johnson did their tart bit going with the winner of the moment,but I bet Bone and Redwood are spitting blood,hehe.
Interesting what Farage makes of it.
Good that we are loading all EU laws into our system because we will be answerable to the EU for many years to come.
Question Time from Barnsley next week,will be interesting what Brexiter from Barnsley thinks of it.
I just hate all the hassle and expense to basically stay where we are now,without a seat at the table.
I dont blame May for taking the easy,actually the only,option,she didnt get much support from her party,too late to get rid of her now.
KudosDave