Your point about brexit being the equivalent of handling nuclear waste is a good one.
They both show we are foolish ,chasing a short term profit for a long term disaster
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They both show we are foolish ,chasing a short term profit for a long term disaster
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Cant claim responsibility for comment OG. It was chairman of ML who made the analogy.
This is reported today in Ireland - it isn't really news to those of us who have doubted the sense of "brexit' from the outset.
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I can't say I am surprised by the German politicians' view of their British counterparts. Many of our politicians are educated in private schools where they were taught to spin on any subject. later, our voting system of first past the post encourages them to lie as much as possible to win votes because there is no second prize. The end result? a lot of them are nothing more than dreamers and professional liars.
Indeed, this means freedom of movement in UK waters for French frigates.But... But France is in the EU! Oh deary memore complications ahead.
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I was just thinking that if the UK wanted to sail off and stir up some trouble somewhere to the east (Remember Iraq?...) and the French said "Sorry, we aren't going" it could become very embarrassing.Indeed, this means freedom of movement in UK waters for French frigates.
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The infamous General de Gaulle emphatic "Non!" again.
Seriously that could easily happen since an aircraft carrier is only a distant locations attack weapon. It has no use here since the land of Britain is effectively the aircraft carrier for home waters.
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My analogy would be..
Tree surgeon walked past house , contacted us and said if we wished he could move one of our oak trees to a sunnier spot where it should be healthier. Family discussed it and thought , well if he says he can, lets have a vote...a narrow margin said yes lets move the tree. Tree surgeon was contacted said ok..but then immediately resigned, offering another expert who had originally said tree couldn't be moved, but he,d ( she!) had had a rethink and it certainly could...but the oak tree has proved to have a massive network of roots and its likely the process will do irreparable damage , we,ve already paid for the work but its seems quite likely this firm are now going bust , don't have a clue what they are talking about...we are just wishing that first tree surgeon ( now happily retired in the sun) had kept his opinions to himself.
Should we risk moving the tree...we probably cant stop the contractors now, I think they want the wood, when it dies.
Tree surgeon walked past house , contacted us and said if we wished he could move one of our oak trees to a sunnier spot where it should be healthier. Family discussed it and thought , well if he says he can, lets have a vote...a narrow margin said yes lets move the tree. Tree surgeon was contacted said ok..but then immediately resigned, offering another expert who had originally said tree couldn't be moved, but he,d ( she!) had had a rethink and it certainly could...but the oak tree has proved to have a massive network of roots and its likely the process will do irreparable damage , we,ve already paid for the work but its seems quite likely this firm are now going bust , don't have a clue what they are talking about...we are just wishing that first tree surgeon ( now happily retired in the sun) had kept his opinions to himself.
Should we risk moving the tree...we probably cant stop the contractors now, I think they want the wood, when it dies.
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.. when you change sides you do it with a vengence!! The analogy works for me, but then I was just a neighbor, and the current position of the tree worked fine for me, shielded me from the Noonday sun in summer and helped block winds in autumn. Of course my neighbor never asked me my view.
Its roots not routs, but in the present context strangely apt.
My belief and indeed hope us that Brexit will prove not so much an Enigma as an Enema for many long cherished British delusions and attitudes not only among the Elite, but the voting public too, and that someone applies a suitable remedy before the damage is too severe
I had the same discussion this evening. When you see one of the giant US carriers they are always escorted by 6 frigates. I assume these are an early warning and response to incoming missiles.
We seem to have a lot of engine problems with our frigates.
I was wondering how we were going to protect our new carrier?
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Their job is to surround and therefore potentially take the hit, be it from missile or torpedo. Though in fact that wouldn't happen, since the retaliation would be far more severe than it's worth to sink a frigate.
It's an effective strategy, but costly.
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From the Guardian
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Chris Grayling denies cabinet infighting over Brexit after anonymous briefings
And there is as well as the usual waffle, this
"Grayling also denied that Hammond was isolated on Brexit, saying: “We all want a Brexit process to lead to a situation where we have good, constructive economic and trade relations with out European neighbours, not as part of the European Union, but as their biggest customer."
Well at least that is achievable!
There shouldn't be too much of a problem getting the EU to agree not to apply Tariffs on things they sell TO US.
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Chris Grayling denies cabinet infighting over Brexit after anonymous briefings
And there is as well as the usual waffle, this
"Grayling also denied that Hammond was isolated on Brexit, saying: “We all want a Brexit process to lead to a situation where we have good, constructive economic and trade relations with out European neighbours, not as part of the European Union, but as their biggest customer."
Well at least that is achievable!
There shouldn't be too much of a problem getting the EU to agree not to apply Tariffs on things they sell TO US.
You are looking at this all wrong!
look at this from the Brexit Voter's point of view.
Why should we care if the enemy sinks FRENCH FRIGATES
If I was a Brexit Voter that would work for me!
Shades of the German anti-British propaganda slogan "The British will fight to the last Frenchman" from 1940.
Sorry about that Nudge, nudge, wink wink.
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then just let the contractors get on with it and sue them later if the tree dies.
Most brexiters only want to get out and don't worry too much about how it's done.
... Didn't French protection have a different meaning years ago?