"Out of the frying pan and into the fire" as the old saying has it.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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We have to be careful.
The EU may have the room bugged and we don't want them to know our secret positions.
It is said that Davis only spent one hour in the room and left it to his junior officials...he wont be back until Thursday, immediately before the next briefing,it shows how little importance Davis places on these negotiations,or maybe he left his notes in London?
Do these people fly back and forth by private jet???
KudosDave
David Davis plays the mind game.
May the force be with him.
Sometimes by RAF executive jet from Northolt, but very often by Eurostar.
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I think I know the best place it should be applied!
Oh no, not that old Joke again
"What do you think of the Brexit position?
I haven't tried it, it looks painful!"
The place where the sound comes out (usually muffled when seated)
.. there is a scene in the airplane movie, where the air traffic controller asks the Lloyd bridges character .". The plane is coming in, shall I turn on the landing strip lights?". The immediate response ." . no, they will be expecting that "
This from the Guardian.
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There was no lunch for Davis at all. He left the commission around noon, as the technical work began. Both sides split into teams to discuss three aspects of the divorce treaty: citizens’ rights, money and a sprawling range of topics known as “other separation issues”. This last set of issues covers any unfinished business on Brexit day, from pending British cases at the European court of justice to product rules for goods in warehouses.
This is the mind-numbing reality of “taking back control”: tuition fees for Latvian students, European civil service pensions, British liability for building motorways in Poland, shipment rules for a crate of cheddar cheese on Brexit day. All will have to be resolved before the UK can even begin to talk about trade, police co-operation, foreign policy, security, data-protection ... This is only the beginning.
No wonder British diplomats warned before the referendum that parliament would be snarled up for a decade with the great Brexit unscrambling. In reality, Davis and his team have plenty of words on paper. Nothing has dislodged the impression that the UK is woefully underprepared for the enormous task ahead"
So why did he leave the meeting? What is he actually doing?
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There was no lunch for Davis at all. He left the commission around noon, as the technical work began. Both sides split into teams to discuss three aspects of the divorce treaty: citizens’ rights, money and a sprawling range of topics known as “other separation issues”. This last set of issues covers any unfinished business on Brexit day, from pending British cases at the European court of justice to product rules for goods in warehouses.
This is the mind-numbing reality of “taking back control”: tuition fees for Latvian students, European civil service pensions, British liability for building motorways in Poland, shipment rules for a crate of cheddar cheese on Brexit day. All will have to be resolved before the UK can even begin to talk about trade, police co-operation, foreign policy, security, data-protection ... This is only the beginning.
No wonder British diplomats warned before the referendum that parliament would be snarled up for a decade with the great Brexit unscrambling. In reality, Davis and his team have plenty of words on paper. Nothing has dislodged the impression that the UK is woefully underprepared for the enormous task ahead"
So why did he leave the meeting? What is he actually doing?
He seems more likely to be playing the Cameron and Boris Game, absenting himself before any serious work is done, and hoping to slip back in time to take the credit.
Once he realised there was no Free lunch , he skipped class and came home.
A smile from the Independent
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David Davis is as 'thick as mince' and as 'lazy as a toad', says Vote Leave chief
Dominic Cummings has admitted Brexit could turn out to be an ‘error’
The Vote Leave director has now said that Mr Davis “spent the campaign boozing with [Nigel] Farage, predicting defeat and briefing [against] Vote Leave” and was involved in the “single crappest TV news for Leave of entire campaign”, when Grassroots Out unveiled George Galloway as a supporter.
On the photograph of Mr Davis at the negotiating table, Liberal Democrat Brexit spokesperson Tom Brake said: “We have less than twenty months of Brexit talks left, yet David Davis has skulked back to the UK after just half a day.
“He didn’t have any position papers with him because this Government has no agreed Brexit position.
“This is a government with no papers, no plan and no time for the most important negotiations of a lifetime.
“They are meant to be negotiating Brexit but they can’t even negotiate among themselves.”
I love it when the Brexit Plotters display their finest qualities, even Guy Fawkes only wanted to blow up the House of Commons, these people want to ruin the entire nation.
They are enemies of all of us.
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David Davis is as 'thick as mince' and as 'lazy as a toad', says Vote Leave chief
Dominic Cummings has admitted Brexit could turn out to be an ‘error’
The Vote Leave director has now said that Mr Davis “spent the campaign boozing with [Nigel] Farage, predicting defeat and briefing [against] Vote Leave” and was involved in the “single crappest TV news for Leave of entire campaign”, when Grassroots Out unveiled George Galloway as a supporter.
On the photograph of Mr Davis at the negotiating table, Liberal Democrat Brexit spokesperson Tom Brake said: “We have less than twenty months of Brexit talks left, yet David Davis has skulked back to the UK after just half a day.
“He didn’t have any position papers with him because this Government has no agreed Brexit position.
“This is a government with no papers, no plan and no time for the most important negotiations of a lifetime.
“They are meant to be negotiating Brexit but they can’t even negotiate among themselves.”
I love it when the Brexit Plotters display their finest qualities, even Guy Fawkes only wanted to blow up the House of Commons, these people want to ruin the entire nation.
They are enemies of all of us.
Times like these remind me that histrocally Athens, one of the earliest of the Greek states to experiment with democracy had a particular innovation which while it never caught on, would certainly help us in these dark days where we appear to be at the mercy of Politicans of all parties who are in fact either not interested in the welfare of the public, or worse actively work against it
This from Encyclopedia Britannica
"Ostracism, political practice in ancient Athens whereby a prominent citizen who threatened the stability of the state could be banished without bringing any charge against him. (A similar device existed at various times in Argos, Miletus, Syracuse, and Megara.) At a fixed meeting in midwinter, the people decided, without debate, whether they would hold a vote on ostracism (ostrakophoria) some weeks later. Any citizen entitled to vote in the assembly could write another citizen’s name down, and, when a sufficiently large number wrote the same name, the ostracized man had to leave Attica within 10 days and stay away for 10 years. He remained owner of his property."
My suggestion is that we revive this interesting idea in two ways
And I suspect it would transform voter turnout levels at Election Times.
Ah well I must be having one of my "turns" I had a brief vision of Father saying to me
"Interesting idea Lad, but perhaps you had better leave thinking to the qualified"
This from Encyclopedia Britannica
"Ostracism, political practice in ancient Athens whereby a prominent citizen who threatened the stability of the state could be banished without bringing any charge against him. (A similar device existed at various times in Argos, Miletus, Syracuse, and Megara.) At a fixed meeting in midwinter, the people decided, without debate, whether they would hold a vote on ostracism (ostrakophoria) some weeks later. Any citizen entitled to vote in the assembly could write another citizen’s name down, and, when a sufficiently large number wrote the same name, the ostracized man had to leave Attica within 10 days and stay away for 10 years. He remained owner of his property."
My suggestion is that we revive this interesting idea in two ways
- Have an annually run fixed date when names of Political candidates for ostracism should be tendered, Xmas perhaps?
- Have additional tick boxes on Election slips "This candidate is unfit for public office and should be ostracised.
And I suspect it would transform voter turnout levels at Election Times.
Ah well I must be having one of my "turns" I had a brief vision of Father saying to me
"Interesting idea Lad, but perhaps you had better leave thinking to the qualified"
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I wonder what would happen if Theresa May said that she was so sick of the Tory backbiting and that Brexit looked impossible so she was recommending that we scrap Brexit and put it to an open vote in parliament?
KudosDave
KudosDave
we already have a similar system. We send them to the HoL.
We need another Oliver Cromwell.
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!