Of course we know!
There can't be a good outcome for UK businesses who have the EU as their principal client. How hard is that for you to understand?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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There can't be a good outcome for UK businesses who have the EU as their principal client. How hard is that for you to understand?
My QUOTE comes from a notice I saw on a colleagues desk.. it is intended as wry comment.
As an observation from outside the UK, the chopping and changing the UK has made in its qualifications framework s over the years is counterproductive. A management culture is not conducive to scholarship.
TREX thought he knew and the BofE thought they knew:
Like you, they have no clue. You think you know how BREXIT will develop, you may even be convinced that you know how it will develop, but sadly, you have no idea. But don't let ignorance stop you trashing the UK.
The above is just one example, but time after time, we hear these grave warning and time after time we witness the exact opposite. I think credibility is, "shot through." Move on.
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I guess you didn't study history. Or you were the guy sleeping next to the heater at the back of the class...
We have examples of how this kind of thing turns out.
We have examples of how this kind of thing turns out.
You can't say the grave warnings about Brexit haven't come true... BECAUSE BREXIT HASN'T HAPPENED YET!!!!! They could come true, they could be even worse, they could better. But the one thing you can't say is that they are wrong, because we don't know that yet. But the one good thing about this, is that we're going to find out.
How condescending.
Like the BREXIT warnings, your assumptions are based on little or no fact. Also like the BREXIT warnings, your response indicates that your credibility, "shot through."
I don't know if, like me, you did study History. I am leaning towards no, because if you had, you would realise that History is so broad that one could spend a lifetime analysing one particular aspect and gain no knowledge which is relevant to this discussion.
That warning from the B of E was "in case leave wins" not when we leave. Like the promise of an immediate emergency budget after the referendum, it turned out to be codswallop.
that's because it was promised that A50 would be triggered as soon as the result was confirmed. This isn't me making stuff up, this is fact.
The predictions were based on the impact of leaving... not on the impact of just voting to leave. This collapse in value of the £ is a bonus impact caused by 6 months of total indecision. Only once A50 is triggered and we leave will the need for an emergency budget be able to be assessed.
Currently a good amount of QE, has helped, plus the fact that we've not left yet or even confirmed we are going to start leaving means all bets are off as far as predictions of the impact of leaving are.
I'll buy the joke. what have you seen that is positive rather than pure fantasy?
Convenient memory syndrome appears to be pandemic to Brexit voters, when did we trigger article 50, did I miss it?
It's pointless using statements made before the vote, both sides were using propaganda, lies and distortions to frighten voters into their chosen direction.
Emergency Budget - £350 million a week for the NHS.
It was all bunkum.
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I'm afraid Tillson, that the only people hell-bent on trashing the UK are the ignorant clowns who voted 'Brexit'. They were ignorant, and remain so, of any tangible benefits to the UK from exiting the EU yet they voted for it. Even when it was subsequently demonstrated to them unequivocally that the fascist, political butterflies who spearheaded the campaign had lied repeatedly in their pre-referendum pontifications, they still cannot understand the damage that this country will almost certainly incur as a result of their stupidity.
International opinion following the referendum result ranged from incredulity to condemnatory comment - America wanted the UK to remain attached to Europe commercially for several reasons, not all commercial, and Russia couldn't believe their luck, having always hoped the EU would crumble. Travel anywhere through the major EU states as I do frequently and the general opinion is that we British are simply mad.
As for 'anotherkiwi', he seems like a well-travelled chap and I'm sure he has no inclination whatsoever to 'trash' the UK, as you put it but everything I have ever read from you on this matter suggests to me that you are in all probability one of those who committed to 'Brexit' in the June poll, in which case, I guess you must wear extremely large shoes like the rest of those who voted that way.
Tom
I am totally in the "I think you are Mad as Hatters" category now, which is quite a few notches up the scale from "gentle eccentrics"...
You're not alone.
I was in a meeting in Austria just before Christmas, with French, Italian, Flemish, Romanian, German, Danish, Polish, Spanish and Portuguese staff from KTM. To say I felt embarrassed because of my nationality would be putting it mildly. I traveled a lot when we were known as football hooligans, and that was pretty bad.
This is now worse... I'm gutted.
I sympathise. I'm ashamed of the bigotry, ignorance and stupidity of so much of our native population, it's little wonder the rest of Europe look down on us.
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You should only be ashamed of your own actions. You can be embarrassed by the actions of others.
What outsiders , including myself find continually puzzling is why a drastic decision is being made or may be made on what is a flimsy mandate. 52/48 is not a mandate for action. Your parliament is expected to form considered judgements on what is the best course for your country.
I am more charitable than most, as I believe as I said right at the beginning, that collectively the inhabitants of this island are not different to those from anywhere else.
The problem is that they have been a Captive audience, exposed for a generation to lies that were intended to maintain the power of the Elite class that rules the country, by diverting Public anger away from their misdeeds onto a convenient "Whipping Boy" the EU that lacked the communications facilities to match and defeat those ranged against it to defeat this life long propaganda campaign.
It is really no surprise that with the same media machine still pouring out increasingly extreme attacks intended to reinforce the small margin in favour of Brexit that the Public who voted for it fail to register the arguments against that decision, and resort to using childish insults like "Remoaner" and "Traitor"
The press and other media have been very creative in spreading the notion that any opposition to their decision means that people regard them as "idiots, "racist" "xenophopic".
And that such resistance should not be regarded as sober and rational, but rather as unpatriotic and based on the person holding that belief having something to gain personally that the public do not.
When in fact these sentiments , though they do exists are on a very small scale compared with the veritable tide of invective directed not merely at the principle of rejection of the idea of Brexit, as it doesn't stop there, but goes far beyond that when even top judges are subject to personal attacks by the media and individuals fired up by them.
The enemies of this nation are the Press and that part of the Government that has hitched it's star on this incredibly mistaken decision made by the people.
The problem is that they have been a Captive audience, exposed for a generation to lies that were intended to maintain the power of the Elite class that rules the country, by diverting Public anger away from their misdeeds onto a convenient "Whipping Boy" the EU that lacked the communications facilities to match and defeat those ranged against it to defeat this life long propaganda campaign.
It is really no surprise that with the same media machine still pouring out increasingly extreme attacks intended to reinforce the small margin in favour of Brexit that the Public who voted for it fail to register the arguments against that decision, and resort to using childish insults like "Remoaner" and "Traitor"
The press and other media have been very creative in spreading the notion that any opposition to their decision means that people regard them as "idiots, "racist" "xenophopic".
And that such resistance should not be regarded as sober and rational, but rather as unpatriotic and based on the person holding that belief having something to gain personally that the public do not.
When in fact these sentiments , though they do exists are on a very small scale compared with the veritable tide of invective directed not merely at the principle of rejection of the idea of Brexit, as it doesn't stop there, but goes far beyond that when even top judges are subject to personal attacks by the media and individuals fired up by them.
The enemies of this nation are the Press and that part of the Government that has hitched it's star on this incredibly mistaken decision made by the people.
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The media was then obsessed with gossips around Boris Johnson and his becoming the future PM.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/09/boris-johnson-brexit-referendum-dominic-cummings
That article quotes Dominic Cummings:
I believe they are appreciably different. You've rightly drawn attention to the baleful influences that the population have been subjected to currently.
But our education and political systems have been grossly distorting the views and standing of the population for many decades, leading to them being very different from the peoples of the mainland European countries. The differences are something I first noted when living and working in France in the 1960s and regularly visiting to work in other countries in the 1970s.
Hence the Brexit vote, which most others in the EU view as madness and impossible to understand.
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