Brexit, for once some facts.

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He told the Treasury Select Committee: "There are greater financial stability risks on the continent in the short-term, for the transitions, than there are for the UK."
His remark lifts the Pound from sinking, that's for sure.
 
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Interesting day ,I was at a meeting of science, farming and education.
Large landowners present and massive businesses.
I mentioned to a business pal that I reckoned that 50% of farmers voted to leave, his company is in touch with most of UK farmers and reckoned it was nearer 70%.
Work that one out.
 

oldgroaner

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His remark lifts the Pound from sinking, that's for sure.
Though it's surprising that this part of his speech proved helpful in that respect!

"Mr Carney said that the UK should concentrate on stable access to financial markets after Brexit. The financial services industry could suffer "outsize" consequences from losing only some of its access."

That's a "Gypsies warning" if ever I heard one!
 
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oldgroaner

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Interesting day ,I was at a meeting of science, farming and education.
Large landowners present and massive businesses.
I mentioned to a business pal that I reckoned that 50% of farmers voted to leave, his company is in touch with most of UK farmers and reckoned it was nearer 70%.
Work that one out.
An outbreak of "Mad Farmers Disease"?
Actually that is understandable as the environmental rules will go out of the window, in will come fertilisers, insecticides, lord knows what else then planting of cash crops will be in fashion, all good for short term profit.
They'll be ditching the old Mercedes for something more exotic :cool:
 
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Croxden

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May I remind you that that a logical case can be made for slavery? logic is not a sufficient reason to make laws.
Better not do things that are Morally repugnant, we are supposed to be progressing not regressing.
Perhaps a return to slavery is needed to make Britain great again.
We slowly went downhill since it was abolished, now who's turn will it be next?
 

Croxden

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Interesting day ,I was at a meeting of science, farming and education.
Large landowners present and massive businesses.
I mentioned to a business pal that I reckoned that 50% of farmers voted to leave, his company is in touch with most of UK farmers and reckoned it was nearer 70%.
Work that one out.
I found it curious that the NFU said remain whilst every farm hereabouts had vote leave posters all over the place.
They were most vocal at the County Show, no voices for remaining.
 
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flecc

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Interesting day ,I was at a meeting of science, farming and education.
Large landowners present and massive businesses.
I mentioned to a business pal that I reckoned that 50% of farmers voted to leave, his company is in touch with most of UK farmers and reckoned it was nearer 70%.
Work that one out.
As your post implies, they're more businessmen than farmers in the true sense. Their time on the farm tends to be driving around their several thousand acres in a Range Rover.

Farming, environmental and national interests aren't what they are concerned with, it's more short to medium term profits and out of the EU might benefit those.
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tillson

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May I remind you that that a logical case can be made for slavery? logic is not a sufficient reason to make laws.
Better not do things that are Morally repugnant, we are supposed to be progressing not regressing.
Slavery? You need to calm down and take your medicine. I've never heard such tripe.
 

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Well unfortunately the UK public have fallen for it again, all the referendum was about was giving folk the choice.

It make's no difference whether we are are in the E.U. or out, as we were never fully in it from the get go in the first place.

Had we been in the E.U. In the first place, we by now have had the €.

The referendum proved nothing, as there was no majority to speak of.

And if the referendum had been done properly a 20% majority would have been put in place in order to make the result decisive.

The politicians are not stupid, and they know that the U.K. public are to stupid to make such important decisions as to whether the U.K. is in the E.U. or not.

So we were given the opportunity make a choice on nothing.

The time was fast approaching that we had to adopt the €, this fact was kept quiet and not mentioned by the media, and this was another reason why the referendum came about, as the rich folk stood to loose by the U.K. adopting the €.

At the end of the day, now that we are on the way to Brexit, I have to laugh at the arguments that the remains and leave are still having.

As it does not matter, as we still have to trade with the E.U.

If the U.K. public had any sense, then not one single vote should have been cast, and the decision to remain or leave should have been left to the government.

Why have a government if we the U.K. Public have to make the decision's for them.
 

oldgroaner

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Slavery? You need to calm down and take your medicine. I've never heard such tripe.
Really? You could try actually reading and understanding that this was a discussion on making moral decisions, when introducing laws, but was that too hard to understand?
You are the one that talks tripe tillson

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Zlatan

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Slavery? You need to calm down and take your medicine. I've never heard such tripe.
That's not new Tillson, OG and Tom have posted nothing but tripe.

Rohloffboy...Good post. EU stated 3 years ago they wanted all zone in euro by 2020...
 

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I thought about this all day and came to the conclusion that I agree with this form of tax. It may sound repugnant but it's logical in its concept: the people who benefit the most from FOM are the employers and immigrants.
Speaking again from the outside, the proposal is totally bizzare. Any Society has costs in education of their youth for 20 years before they get into the productive economy , society also has to pay for maternity services, early health interventions, vaccine s etc. If a country accepts immigration of workers only, they forgo these costs but reap the benefits of production. Instead of a tax on immigrants there should in any rational scheme be a rebate

The productivity of the USA in particular is being bolstered by these immigrants, especially in the hi tech sector.
 

oldgroaner

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That's not new Tillson, OG and Tom have posted nothing but tripe.

Rohloffboy...Good post. EU stated 3 years ago they wanted all zone in euro by 2020...
And you have only posted off topic nonsense and personal attacks which hardly qualifies you to make yet another one.
Still trying to get someone to attach yourself to?
Instead of trying to do that, try making sensible comments, if you can.

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oldgroaner

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The Express are trying to be Funny this morning
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Shameless EU politicians WILL veto Brexit deal if UK 'better off leaving than remaining'
EUROPEAN Union (EU) politicians are threatening to veto a Brexit deal if it means the UK will be better off leaving the bloc than remaining.

Lower down after the point where Express readers ever bother to go the politician said this
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My belief is what we need to do is a fair deal which benefits both of us.

“The UK will still exist, still be part of Europe so we need to make an effort to make sure there’s a win-win situation.”

How can anyone describe that as "Shameless" ?
Clearly the Express regards Brexit voters as Stupid.
 
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Speaking again from the outside, the proposal is totally bizzare.
No more bizarre that the role of duty on goods.
 

oldgroaner

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From the independent
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Boris Johnson has completely changed how he talks about Donald Trump
Foreign Secretary now says he is ‘excited’ by Republican's presidency – having previously called him ‘clearly out of his mind’

Good old Boris the man who can be right 50% of the time rides again, he operated on the principle of approval of the last person he spoke to.
Ingenious? no Ingenuous, alas.

Fortunately only Brexit fans take him seriously any more. and that is purely a temporary situation.
 
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oldgroaner

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No more bizarre that the role of duty on goods.
Like the high rate of Purchase Tax on luxury goods that was intended to prevent the lower orders buying them, do you mean?

Happy Days, and likely to make a comeback after Brexit as it was a "nice little earner" for the Tax Man.
 
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Woosh

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This kind of levy can potentially solve the problem of FOM for some EU member countries like UK and France.
 

oldgroaner

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OG, I take it that you mean slavery as in forced labour after kidnapping and false imprisonment.
The point I made about it may sound repugnant is simply the principle that two people doing the same job ought to be paid the same salary and this levy may seem to encourage employers to pay immigrants less.
However, if you look at the levy as tax, then a government can easily justify taxing immigrants and/or their employers more.
Apparently Mrs May has dropped the idea
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-news-uk-employers-pay-1000-per-eu-skilled-worker-european-immigration-a7522386.html

What is a little strange is that this levy is already being applied to non EU recruitment
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Mr Goodwill said an apprenticeship levy, later this year, would help the Government meet its commitment to train more than three million more apprentices by 2020.
And he added: “In April this year, we are also bringing in the immigration skills charge for non-EEA skilled workers.

“If you want to recruit an Indian computer programmer on a four-year contract, on top of the existing visa charges and the resident labour market test, there will be a fee of £1,000 per year.

“So, for a four-year contract that employer will need to pay a £4,000 immigration skills charge.

That is something that currently applies to non-EU and it has been suggested to us that could be applied to EU.”

One has to ask two things
Why do this at all , and why if you do, not apply to the EU too?

Especially when one of the Conservative Politicians made this argument against applying it to the EU
Prominent Conservative backbencher Anna Soubry said: “This would be a tax on successful businesses.”

Did she forget they were already apply it elsewhere?
 
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Woosh

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I think that the levy should really be a kind of precept for local authorities. The amount should be adapted to reduce local unemployment.
 

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