Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

If you knew so much you,d know that gapung gap has nothing at all to do with Brexit...The pound dropped because folk lost faith in UK ltd because of all the BS , which your posts are full of.

OG
And exactly what has eu done ? In Afghanistan? In Syria? In the Gulf? In eastern Europe? This peace we have all enjoyed in UK has nothing at all to do with eu and you know it. Read ex head of army,s view about eu.
Its been the UK ,USA, Nato and UN attempting to keep stability in world. EU has done nothing..because it has neither the will, organisation or capability. Its fecking useless unless you call fishiing quotas keeping world peace.

As usual Flud you manage to sail past the truth and head at flank speed into fantasy,
The EU was never intended, nor has the power to prevent war with Russia, but between the member states.
With no Armed Forces How Could it?
This has been achieved.
There, small words perfectly understandable. it has no mandate to be a "mini world policeman" As your imagination thinks we still are?
Isn't it time you faced the reality of our situation?
We are simply America's scrapyard Guard Dog.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

As usual Flud you manage to sail past the truth and head at flank speed into fantasy,
The EU was never intended, nor has the power to prevent war with Russia, but between the member states.
With no Armed Forces How Could it?
This has been achieved.
There, small words perfectly understandable. it has no mandate to be a "mini world policeman" As your imagination thinks we still are?
Isn't it time you faced the reality of our situation?
We are simply America's scrapyard Guard Dog.

So this wonderful organisation known as the EU has actuall done feck all and has a policy to prove it.
Whereas the UN , UK, USA and troops from all over place have tried to stabilize countries.. That is a Spike,Milligan situation...the eu has succeeded in every conflict because we didn't go...so our policy was successful.

And as usual its some fecker else that has sailed past truth, when its you having a go at UK,s attempt ( admittedly small) to point out to Putin we,ve noticed.

Kudos
Like I said 2 weeks ago we,ll have to wait and see.
Having said that can you imagine how stupid our government is going to look...Cameron resigns over an exit that does not happen...
They have decided.
Osbourne and City have changed their tune. China , India, NZ ,and USA have already drawn up provisional trade deals.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

And only reason we have luxury of being able to get hysterical over BS like this is because kids are willing to go out to places mentioned laying their lives on line for us. Like they will be doing again soon in Afghanistan. And you sit at your keyboard with derision for this attempts and defending Ann organisation that by policy can do nothing..apart from impose fishing quotas !

 

[RobF]

As your imagination thinks we still are?
Isn't it time you faced the reality of our situation?
We are simply America's scrapyard Guard Dog.

Sour-faced garbage.

We still have a permanent seat on the security council of the UN, one of only five countries in the world to have that.

A mini-policeman is exactly what we are, because we certainly can't claim to be a big one.

I cannot understand why you are so desperate to talk down your country, when there is much to be positive about.

If it's that bad, why stay here?

If there is a racial element to Brexit, it's to get rid of those who are a drain on the country, dragging it down.

We can do without that sort - matters not to me whether they were born here or not.

 

[trex]

the world has moved on a long way since 1945. Big countries now belong to one of the 3 trading blocs, the EU is the biggest, NAFTA then the China dominated ASEAN. After brexit, I can't see us playing one against the others. More likely being bullied by all three.

 

[oldgroaner]

So this wonderful organisation known as the EU has actuall done feck all and has a policy to prove it.
Whereas the UN , UK, USA and troops from all over place have tried to stabilize countries.. That is a Spike,Milligan situation...the eu has succeeded in every conflict because we didn't go...so our policy was successful.

And as usual its some fecker else that has sailed past truth, when its you having a go at UK,s attempt ( admittedly small) to point out to Putin we,ve noticed.

Kudos
Like I said 2 weeks ago we,ll have to wait and see.
Having said that can you imagine how stupid our government is going to look...Cameron resigns over an exit that does not happen...
They have decided.
Osbourne and City have changed their tune. China , India, NZ ,and USA have already drawn up provisional trade deals.

And have these countries been succesful in stabilsing anything? no they have managed to turn the middle east into a war zone and flood Europe with millions of refugees.
The EU had the sense not to interfere where it has no right to be but right wing idiots in this country lack that sense, Blair being the prominent one and the Imbecile Cameron bringing up a close second, egged on by both the Conservatives and their "B" team New Labour.
Congratulations at setting the world on fire with stupid ideas is in order.
I would remind you that we cannot enter any trade deals till out of the EU,
And then these optimistic claims will vanish, like all the others lies myths and promises.

 

[oldgroaner]

And only reason we have luxury of being able to get hysterical over BS like this is because kids are willing to go out to places mentioned laying their lives on line for us. Like they will be doing again soon in Afghanistan. And you sit at your keyboard with derision for this attempts and defending Ann organisation that by policy can do nothing..apart from impose fishing quotas !

Oh do give up with your phoney I am a patriot crap, sending an handfll of our brave personnel into a situation where they are at risk with no chance of achieving anything is not the act of a patriot
It is an act of treason against them, using them as pawns in a petty squabble that should be handled diplomatically, not by a show of force (In this case a laughably pitiful one) and you should have more sense than to try to claim otherwise.
If you are so convinced this is a great plan volunteer and go with them.
I thought you had sufficient intelligence to realise what the purpose of the EU is, but no, you fail to understand anything that cannot be used to beat someone else over the head with an iron bar, don't you?
To you no organisation is of any use unless it can we used as a Weapon.
Pathetic.
It is not them but you and your crazy ideas I treat with derision.

 

[oldgroaner]

Sour-faced garbage.

We still have a permanent seat on the security council of the UN, one of only five countries in the world to have that.

A mini-policeman is exactly what we are, because we certainly can't claim to be a big one.

I cannot understand why you are so desperate to talk down your country, when there is much to be positive about.

If it's that bad, why stay here?

If there is a racial element to Brexit, it's to get rid of those who are a drain on the country, dragging it down.

We can do without that sort - matters not to me whether they were born here or not.

I am desperate to stop this country making an even bigger fool than is is already, but you seem intent on doing just that.

Lets examine that attempted put down
"If it's that bad, why stay here?"
It wasn't, but you and others who voted to leave the EU are determined to make that a reality.
Remember you only have a 4% majority and by now most likely that has dropped to zero or a minus quantity, which does not justify you assuming right is on your side, It simply isn't, my suggestion is that you take the opportunity to leave yourself before events make you wish you had.

The more responsible 48% will remain and try to clean up your mess.
Reminiscent of how the the leaders of the leave campaign backed off anf jumped ship as soon as there was a danger of having to take responsibility.

 

[RobF]

I am desperate to stop this country making an even bigger fool than is is already, but you seem intent on doing just that.

Lets examine that attempted put down
"If it's that bad, why stay here?"
It wasn't, but you and others who voted to leave the EU are determined to make that a reality.
Remember you only have a 4% majority and by now most likely that has dropped to zero or a minus quantity, which does not justify you assuming right is on your side, It simply isn't, my suggestion is that you take the opportunity to leave yourself before events make you wish you had.

The more responsible 48% will remain and try to clean up your mess.
Reminiscent of how the the leaders of the leave campaign backed off anf jumped ship as soon as there was a danger of having to take responsibility.

Usual patronising arrogance of the Remain losers.

It's one of the reasons why you lost.

Promoting your side of the argument is one thing, but telling those who disagree they are stupid ignorant bigots is another.

Had Remain won, I would have shrugged my shoulders and then made the best of it.

It would be better for all concerned if the remaining Remainers did the same.

 

[flecc]

I am certain,look around the car park at Gatwick Airport,90% of the cars are German,which Asian car would you feel comfortable buying?

And anyway, buying Asian can still mean buying EU manufacture, Toyota and Nissan currently still EU since UK made, and Suzuki made by Magyar-Suzuki in Hungary.

And I do mean made, in the case of Suzuki and Nissan not just assembled.
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[flecc]

And exactly what has eu done ? In Afghanistan? In Syria? In the Gulf? In eastern Europe? This peace we have all enjoyed in UK has nothing at all to do with eu and you know it. Read ex head of army,s view about eu.
Its been the UK ,USA, Nato and UN attempting to keep stability in world. EU has done nothing..

The EU has done nothing in those respects because it's far too sensible. The political and military actions of the UK and Nato in those areas have absolutely no legitimacy. They don't bring peace, they bring war, huge suffering and disruption with millions having to flee around the world, their lives often ruined.
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[Kudoscycles]

So this wonderful organisation known as the EU has actuall done feck all and has a policy to prove it.
Whereas the UN , UK, USA and troops from all over place have tried to stabilize countries.. That is a Spike,Milligan situation...the eu has succeeded in every conflict because we didn't go...so our policy was successful.

And as usual its some fecker else that has sailed past truth, when its you having a go at UK,s attempt ( admittedly small) to point out to Putin we,ve noticed.

Kudos
Like I said 2 weeks ago we,ll have to wait and see.
Having said that can you imagine how stupid our government is going to look...Cameron resigns over an exit that does not happen...
They have decided.
Osbourne and City have changed their tune. China , India, NZ ,and USA have already drawn up provisional trade deals.

One of my suppliers is the largest trading company in China,55000 employees,300 factories,wholly owned by the Chinese government. My contact is a VP,usually knowledgeable about the Chinese government position,he is deeply worried about the Brexit situation.
Any trade deal between China and the U.K. remote from the EU he would know about,these trade deals take many years to negotiate,look at the average time for WTO trade deals of 5 years,
I know of no trade deals proposed between your stated countries,we dont have the people in place to negotiate such deals,we left this to the EU,That is going to be a big problem we need to invent a completely new dept with hundreds of trained employees,that will take years.
Yes Cameron got it wrong and didn't appreciate how important immigration was to the UK,Osborne also got it wrong,he is a money man and thought he could frighten people by hitting their pockets,he also didn't appreciate that the referendum was mainly about immigration.
Osborne is panicking now,the knock on effect of the lower pound will mean that company profits will dive,the corporation tax take will plummet that is why he has announced a 15% future corporation tax to keep companies such as HSBC in the UK,the current rate in Ireland is now 12.5%,many will use Brexit as an excuse to move their HQ to a more favourable tax environment,redundancies will result.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Usual patronising arrogance of the Remain losers.

It's one of the reasons why you lost.

Promoting your side of the argument is one thing, but telling those who disagree they are stupid ignorant bigots is another.

Had Remain won, I would have shrugged my shoulders and then made the best of it.

It would be better for all concerned if the remaining Remainers did the same.

And enjoy watching the country go downhill?
Smart move, and your smug attitude is I fear typical of the brexit voter, who imagines they have scored some kind of victory when all that has happened is they have made a serious misjudgement.
And the tiny majority in favour will evaporate when things inevitably start going wrong and hit their pockets, yours included.
By the way throughout the debate i have never called brexit voters either bigots or racists, I have described them as misled by propaganda, but if you are admitting to be either, that's your prerogative.
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[Kudoscycles]

Usual patronising arrogance of the Remain losers.

It's one of the reasons why you lost.

Promoting your side of the argument is one thing, but telling those who disagree they are stupid ignorant bigots is another.

Had Remain won, I would have shrugged my shoulders and then made the best of it.

It would be better for all concerned if the remaining Remainers did the same.

Rob,I agree,except if Remain had won the situation would have been 'steady as she goes captain' but with Leave we have done a 180 turn into the storm with a rocky shore in the distance.
Did we really have to take the risk.
I repeat,nobody on this forum has pointed me to an upside from us leaving,from my view it all looks negative.
KudosDave

 

[RobF]

Rob,I agree,except if Remain had won the situation would have been 'steady as she goes captain' but with Leave we have done a 180 turn into the storm with a rocky shore in the distance.
Did we really have to take the risk.
I repeat,nobody on this forum has pointed me to an upside from us leaving,from my view it all looks negative.
KudosDave

Any change is unsettling and brings some risk, so I agree the more cautious decision would be to remain.

Your importing business model certainly faces some challenges, but presumably the heart of your concerned Chinese contact's concerns is he will no longer be able to take your money.

Thus expediency will rule the day - you both want the same - and a way will be found.

It's a time to look for solutions, not problems, and it is daft to suggest leaving the EU will prevent us trading with nations that want to trade with us.

We don't survive in a bubble, either in or out of the EU.

It will take two years to leave, possibly longer, and another few years after that before any rational assessment of whether we are better off in or out can be made.

By that time, many other influences will have come into play.

Seems to me it won't ever be possible to firmly say if leave or remain was the correct decision.

 

[oldgroaner]

Rob,I agree,except if Remain had won the situation would have been 'steady as she goes captain' but with Leave we have done a 180 turn into the storm with a rocky shore in the distance.
Did we really have to take the risk.
I repeat,nobody on this forum has pointed me to an upside from us leaving,from my view it all looks negative.
KudosDave

Perhaps they don't believe in miracles after all.
Though I did point out that the hot air generated had closed up the hole in the ozone layer, does that count?[emoji1]

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[Kudoscycles]

Any change is unsettling and brings some risk, so I agree the more cautious decision would be to remain.

Your importing business model certainly faces some challenges, but presumably the heart of your concerned Chinese contact's concerns is he will no longer be able to take your money.

Thus expediency will rule the day - you both want the same - and a way will be found.

It's a time to look for solutions, not problems, and it is daft to suggest leaving the EU will prevent us trading with nations that want to trade with us.

We don't survive in a bubble, either in or out of the EU.

It will take two years to leave, possibly longer, and another few years after that before any rational assessment of whether we are better off in or out can be made.

By that time, many other influences will have come into play.

Seems to me it won't ever be possible to firmly say if leave or remain was the correct decision.

Rob,but nobody seems to indicate any upside from leaving?
I have no concerns on the import side,in the short term I have stock and currency to last this year,but if the pound doesn't recover all prices of all products will rise,are the Leavers ready for a price hike of probably 10% without any wage rises?
It doesn't bother me I can afford it but many Leavers hoped it would improve their lifestyle,not a negative.
I have many products that I have a monopoly on supply,I have the only worldwide tooling,so my customers will just have to pay more.
I am sure we will evolve solutions with trading with the EU but at considerable cost,does the end result justify the hassle.Anybody who has travelled to Switzerland knows how expensive that country is,poor people in Switzerland find it difficult to survive.
My Chinese suppliers are getting 10 % less RMB to the £ ,so they want to put up the prices,they will hold off for a while to see if the £ recovers.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

I personally think our generation is very selfish....those of us who owned our houses bought in the 60/70's have seen a massive increase in house prices,the equity offering a comfortable life style....our children are now paying massive mortgages to satisfy our life style.
We had free education,I had a grant to go to uni...our children are now exiting uni with £50k debts.
And now we have voted to prevent our children and grandchildren having free access to Europe to enjoy cheap travel and access to European jobs,it's all very selfish.
KudosDave

There's another side to this coin though Dave. We did indeed make a good life for ourselves and I don't feel in any way guilty about enjoying the proceeds.

The young in turn can choose to take control and do the same, but they need to act to do that. That meant for once taking their noses out of their smartphone screens, where necessary clearing their pot and alcohol befuggled minds, registering to vote and then getting down to the polling booths to choose their future. And not just in the referendum but in last year's general election too.

Most of them couldn't be bothered either time, so they only have themselves to blame for the consequences they are now going to suffer.
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[RobF]

Looks like the barmy notion of a second referendum has been formally put to bed.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office says the exit process has started, so maybe it is time to put the debate behind us and get behind the inevitable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3682084/Government-REJECTS-petition-calling-second-Brexit-referendum-signed-four-million-people.html

 

[oldgroaner]

Looks like the barmy notion of a second referendum has been formally put to bed.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office says the exit process has started, so maybe it is time to put the debate behind us and get behind the inevitable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3682084/Government-REJECTS-petition-calling-second-Brexit-referendum-signed-four-million-people.html

Correction : the leave process has not started till article 50 is invoked

And you missed the Comical part; The petition, which was started by a Brexit supporter William Oliver Healey, urged a re-run in case there was a narrow Remain victory.

So who was the "Bad Loser" loser there and who is to say how many of the people who signed it not Leave voters who changed their mind?
Odd that 1 million as a majority cancels a petition signed by 4.1 million, and many could well have been in the one million majority.