There are dozens, if not hundreds, of civil servants and diplomats scurrying around Whitehall and our embassies who wouldn't split that particular hair.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36749993
Brexit, for once some facts.
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By the way feel free to "Get behind"this retreat from the big league to a local one.
Not in my name thank you very much.
For evil to triumph it only requires good men to do nothing.
And what they do is of no interest to the EU who will simply state their terms.
Correction.. The process has obviously started, we,ve had a referendum, leave won. The process towards triggering art 50 has obviously started.
And OG the petition would need over 17 million signatures to say anything conclusive. 99% of folk who,ve signed it either didn't vote or voted stay..I,ve yet to meet anyone who has actually changed their minds, well actually I have. Two mates say they,d now vote leave .
Evil to triumph?
We've voted to leave the EU, not for genocide.
Get some perspective, the EU is a treaty organisation that has lasted a very short time in historical terms.
Countries join, countries leave, the organisation evolves, it may last for many more years, it may be gone in ten.
The "process" towards triggering art 50 has obviously started eh?
Thanks for the warning I shall switch my Bullshit Detector to maximum sensitivity, lets see what confidence tricks the Government employs to keep us in and convince you we are not.
This will be great entertainment , a high point in the History of "Lying as practised by the English Class"
How to fool all of the people all of the time, in one easy lesson.
Is Hammer House of Horror still around? they would be ideal for doing a documentary on the exit process.
If any of you brexiters watched Question Time last Thursday, you would have noticed that the debate was without bs and either a general election or second referendum is very much the preferred option from all parties (and the audience too) before real brexit.
by the time that the civil servants finish their homework, it will become obvious that either the result of the last referendum is reversed or UK still needs full access to the EU single market while out of the EU, Norway style. The 15% corporation tax rate shows how desparate Cameron's government is to stop foreign investors pulling out - we are now competing against Cyprus and Albania for their money.
by the time that the civil servants finish their homework, it will become obvious that either the result of the last referendum is reversed or UK still needs full access to the EU single market while out of the EU, Norway style. The 15% corporation tax rate shows how desparate Cameron's government is to stop foreign investors pulling out - we are now competing against Cyprus and Albania for their money.
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If you want to use that sort of perspective it applies to the British Empire too
And you see no evil in delivering the weaker members of society into the Hands of unbridled greed as practised by the elite in power?
What then to you is evil,? OK why are we still committing murder from the sky with drones and waging wars of aggression at this very moment?
Obviously nothing is evil to you if you say it isnt, and we can get away with it.
Try telling that to the people who suffer and stand well back.
Time for a break and laugh
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Thousands strip naked in Hull for Spencer Tunick photographs
More than 3,000 people in east Yorkshire city were painted with four shades of blue paint before US artist photographed them"
Quite obviously it's possible to get modern folk to agree to any damn fool thing these days, but I recall that if they wanted to celebrate Hulls relationship with the sea he should have chosen to paint them brown.
The nearest Blue sea to Hull is well over the horizon due to Humber Mud.
"The spectacle to celebrate the city’s relationship with the sea was arranged by the American photographer Spencer Tunick, famous for his installations featuring crowds of nude people, and was commissioned by the city’s Ferens Art Gallery for Hull’s UK city of culture celebrations next year. New-York based Tunick had been inspired by Hull’s maritime history and had body paints made in four shades of blue.
The only blue water I ever saw was "Reckitts Blue" that the company sold to put in washing powder as a whitening agent. At times huge quantities were released in the River Hull turning it bright blue.
This was handy for us kids, as when the blue water stopped moving we knew it was either top or bottom of the tide and we could swim across the muddy River Hull
Happy Days spoiled by all these pollution reduction measures.
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Thousands strip naked in Hull for Spencer Tunick photographs
More than 3,000 people in east Yorkshire city were painted with four shades of blue paint before US artist photographed them"
Quite obviously it's possible to get modern folk to agree to any damn fool thing these days, but I recall that if they wanted to celebrate Hulls relationship with the sea he should have chosen to paint them brown.
The nearest Blue sea to Hull is well over the horizon due to Humber Mud.
"The spectacle to celebrate the city’s relationship with the sea was arranged by the American photographer Spencer Tunick, famous for his installations featuring crowds of nude people, and was commissioned by the city’s Ferens Art Gallery for Hull’s UK city of culture celebrations next year. New-York based Tunick had been inspired by Hull’s maritime history and had body paints made in four shades of blue.
The only blue water I ever saw was "Reckitts Blue" that the company sold to put in washing powder as a whitening agent. At times huge quantities were released in the River Hull turning it bright blue.
This was handy for us kids, as when the blue water stopped moving we knew it was either top or bottom of the tide and we could swim across the muddy River Hull
Happy Days spoiled by all these pollution reduction measures.
I agree a second referendum is a barmy notion, which is why this latest one should be ignored.
Having joined in 1973, against the will of many, a referendum was held in 1975 to settle the issue. We settled it in favour of remaining, so that should have been the last word.
But having now set a precedent for re-examination of referenda outcomes, there's now no reason why we should not return to the issue from time to time. That could be now or at any time in the future, and I've no doubt we will return to it again one day.
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A re run of the referendum or a General Election to decide may be the preferred option for those who LOST but it isn't for those who WON. I suggest you and the others on here who have difficulty with the concept of Won and Lost look up what it means.
Those who voted remain and continue to argue in this way is a pitiful spectacle, try to show a bit of dignity.
Question Time has a loaded audience consisting mainly of unwashed left wing activists supported by the mentally unstable. You can therefore disregard that particular programme.
A question for you. If the referendum was re-run and the result was 52% remain, 48% leave, how would you react to that? Would you demand a third referendum because the vote was too close?
I'm just curious to know how your idea of a democratic vote looks in the real world.
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But this time it wasn't that simple. If the pro-Remainers had been in the majority, only the pro-Leavers would have lost.
But with the pro-leavers in the majority, we've all lost.
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One where the electorate haven't been fed lies about who is responsible for their ills and are therefore able to vote on the basis of making a rational judgement, on truthful information,which is clearly not the case here
By the bye describing people you don't agree with as unwashed left wing activists is hardly a sign that you are a rational human being is it?
And you talk about dignity[emoji1]
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But it only seems to be the losers who think the winners have been fed lies.
Both sides lied in the run up to the referendum. We are led to in the run up to a General Election, this is nothing new, move along nothing to see here. I made up my own mind and voted out, just like millions of other people who won.
So, you all have so much to say about what a catastrophe this result is and how you would like to see the result ignored, you, @trex, @flec, @Kudoscycles @KTM Bike Industries UK tell us which numbers represent a fair result?
Anyone blathering on about a general election needs to have a look at the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011.
There cannot be a general election until 2020, except in extraordinary circumstances which certainly do not apply here.
I can excuse the audience of Question Time not knowing their facts, but the so-called expert panellists ought to know better.
That lack of knowledge tells you a lot about the worth and slant of the programme.
As usual you fail to comprehend the point,I am not referring to the month before the referendum, but thirty years of lies blaming the EU for government failures and making out they were unwilling victims of a system they had no influence over
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yeah yeah, what are the numbers oldgroaner, the numbers? Forget the waffle, that's for losers. What percentages do we need to satisfy you?
I didn't want a referendum in the first place since we are governed by parliament, not by referenda.
But if we are going to have referenda, there should be an ample preset tipping point for validity. I would have been just as unhappy with a similarly close remain vote, and said so in here before the referendum, commenting that a close result would solve nothing.
And that has proved to be true.
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If I thought that I could see any advantages of the Brexit vote I would accept it and move on....but I ask for the 4th time can anyone see what is the advantage of us leaving the EU.
My contact in China is bemused by all this.
When the Scottish referendum was happening he asked me ' why are you voting to make your country smaller?'
Now with the EU referendum he is asking ' why are you voting your country into a recesssion?'
He is also fed up because he bet for England to beat Iceland in the football
Strange people the Chinese they don't understand that Brits are basically masochistic,they need occasionally to give themselves a good flogging,comes out Eton and Harrow and the old school tie,old boy,it's what made the Empire.
Still there's one good to come out of this,when we leave we won't be compelled to enter the Eurovision Song Contest.
KudosDave
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But the referendum was in the government's manifesto and we knew it was coming if we voted them in. They were voted into office by the official democratic process that we have in this country and they held the referendum resulting in a 52% majority of people wanting to leave the EU.
Now my question to remain supporters is, what figure represents a critical mass whereby you would accept the result?