Tillson said using the kidology name Norway Plus.
However, to suit the Brexiters, I think Norway Minus might be more apposite, since they want less EU, not more.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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However, to suit the Brexiters, I think Norway Minus might be more apposite, since they want less EU, not more.
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If not Norway Minus, we could adopt the Swiss multiple agreement deal, full of holes like their cheese.Don't tease him it's cruel to mock the (insert choice of words here)
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Exactly...the referendum was a minor skirmish by the troops,the Generals will procrastinate long enough to steal time.
Theresa May will pretend she is pro Brexit ,just long enough for us all to forget who won the referendum,Article 50 will never be triggered,we will have a new General Election which will keep every one happy,Junkers will be put out to grass,Farage will keep his EU job and continue to annoy the EU.
There will be anti immigration riots in Germany,Merkel will be forced to have some restrictions on movement and we will all continue as though nothing had happened.
KudosDave
Brendan...on this we disagree,the refurendum was solely about immigration,Corbyn/Osborne and Cameron never understood this,that is why they lost the plot.
But Theresa May will ,in hindsight,see the error,pretend she is pro Brexit but work towards a happy equilibrium that all parties....leavers,EU,remainers,Farage get something positive out of this and we will be distracted by some other world event.
KudosDave
Fleck.....why would we trigger Article 50? The referendum has no legal power and 450 MPs voted to remain,16 million voters also voted to remain,why would we trigger Article 50?
KudosDave
Dave, I think we are saying the same thing, my response was to suggestions by others that Brexit offered zero immigration and stopping it , whilst clearly some in the Brexit camp may have thought that I don't think that was the consensus, the remainers just like to paint it that way so they can say it has been renaged on. You know usual negative stuff and misquotes, selective hearing and selective facts
Perhaps because the powers that be want to prove to the public once and for all that they , not the public are the only once wise enough to rule, by demonstrating that a decision by a majority of the public leads to disaster?
They fancied a change, instead of blaming the EU, it is the turn of the public to take the blame for the cruel régime they have now no option but to impose on them to rescue the nation?
It will start by them getting the remain vote on side, when the majority was so small and feelings so intense it should be easy, they just need a little longer for alarm to set in.
Norway here we come!
And when the proverbial hits the fan in future they can blame the public as well as the EU
It's a Politicians dream result isn't it? a chance to cow the public into submission to the rule of their betters.
The drawback is that an unknown but highly significant proportion of the leave voters not only do not know what the EU was or stood for and provided, but don't care anyway, and were lashing out blindly at "Them" meaning authority of any sort.
And further deterioration of their situation is likely to be reacted to with far vigour more than putting a cross in the wrong box.
The only hope for the Conservative Government is to call a General Election and lose it, just avoid the inevitable backlash.
How ironic that thanks to the loony Labour MP's they can't even do that!
Their timing is fortuitous to say the least.
If there was a referendum to ask should London be allowed to become a separate state, it would be interesting to see the support they would get for the motion.
They would be struggling to find anyone opposed to the idea around these parts.
Coming out of the EU will simply make matters worse, and far worse at that as it doesn't in any way address the real anger of the people, does it?
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Time to look at the integrity of the Politicians now competing for leadership of the Conservative Party and in particular the Schizophrenia of the Daily Express that manages to be both for and against one of the contenders on the same page, same day
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'Hypocritical' Brexit backer and PM hopeful Andrea Leadsom wanted Britain to remain in EU
TORY leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has been labelled a hypocrite after sensationally changing her stance on Brexit.
By PATRICK CHRISTYS
The Energy Minister campaigned for a Leave vote in the EU referendum, despite previously claiming leaving the Brussels bloc would be a “disaster”.
Three years ago, Mrs Leadsom, who has emerged as the leading rival to Theresa May’s bid to become the next prime minister, said: “I’m going to nail my colours to the mast here: I don’t think the UK should leave the EU."
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You have to make allowances, it is the Express after all and I don't think Rupert approves of this candidate. Who knows whether or not she voted leave in the expectation the cause would fail? after all Boris did, didn't he?
And also this.
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Britain on fast-track to Brexit pledges Tory wanna-be PM Andrea Leadsom
ANDREA LEADSOM, who has become a surprise favourite in the race to be the next prime minister, has promised to put Britain on the fast track to Brexit.
She has leapfrogged Justice Secretary Michael Gove in the race to Number 10 and says she is considering whether Britain could leave the EU by an Act of Parliament, which could see us quitting as early as next spring.
Mrs Leadsom, 53, said: “I believe our future will be so much greater when we leave the EU and so I am utterly determined to deliver on that promise."
Parliamentary honesty and Integrity at it's best eh?
They have found a sucker to carry the can!
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'Hypocritical' Brexit backer and PM hopeful Andrea Leadsom wanted Britain to remain in EU
TORY leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has been labelled a hypocrite after sensationally changing her stance on Brexit.
By PATRICK CHRISTYS
The Energy Minister campaigned for a Leave vote in the EU referendum, despite previously claiming leaving the Brussels bloc would be a “disaster”.
Three years ago, Mrs Leadsom, who has emerged as the leading rival to Theresa May’s bid to become the next prime minister, said: “I’m going to nail my colours to the mast here: I don’t think the UK should leave the EU."
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You have to make allowances, it is the Express after all and I don't think Rupert approves of this candidate. Who knows whether or not she voted leave in the expectation the cause would fail? after all Boris did, didn't he?
And also this.
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Britain on fast-track to Brexit pledges Tory wanna-be PM Andrea Leadsom
ANDREA LEADSOM, who has become a surprise favourite in the race to be the next prime minister, has promised to put Britain on the fast track to Brexit.
She has leapfrogged Justice Secretary Michael Gove in the race to Number 10 and says she is considering whether Britain could leave the EU by an Act of Parliament, which could see us quitting as early as next spring.
Mrs Leadsom, 53, said: “I believe our future will be so much greater when we leave the EU and so I am utterly determined to deliver on that promise."
Parliamentary honesty and Integrity at it's best eh?
They have found a sucker to carry the can!
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I am sorry that Cameron is going. Replacing him with anyone of the five candidates will not help us in the next 2 years. None of them strikes me as intelligent and charismatic. My choice would have been Philip Hammond if he were to run.
They'd do better if they voted for that Hypnotist fella I suspect.
Or a representative from the Magic Circle.
It will take magic to close Pandora's Box after Cameron opened it.
Or a representative from the Magic Circle.
It will take magic to close Pandora's Box after Cameron opened it.
Tillson said
" I think they are desperate for us to trigger the exit process. Once Andrea Leadsom takes over, I'm confident she will be more than capable of playing them at their own game. The goodness will start to flow."
Andrea Leadsom said
she is considering whether Britain could leave the EU by an Act of Parliament, which could see us quitting as early as next spring."
Then the implication is that she is playing right into their hands, isn't it?
Great Leader you've got for us Tillson, worth ten divisions to the enemy.
BTW I just love "The goodness will start to flow" can I apply for a franchise to use it?
" I think they are desperate for us to trigger the exit process. Once Andrea Leadsom takes over, I'm confident she will be more than capable of playing them at their own game. The goodness will start to flow."
Andrea Leadsom said
she is considering whether Britain could leave the EU by an Act of Parliament, which could see us quitting as early as next spring."
Then the implication is that she is playing right into their hands, isn't it?
Great Leader you've got for us Tillson, worth ten divisions to the enemy.
BTW I just love "The goodness will start to flow" can I apply for a franchise to use it?
Agree with most of that.
I was a Leadsom supporter, but I'm disappointed to hear that recording of her speaking in 2013. No way back for her. Trust has gone.
May is a disaster. Everything she touches breaks or is damaged beyond repair. Also backed remain, sort of, not really, honest. No trust in her either.
Gove. Back stabbing, snide, underhand $h!t of a man who would probably throw a child out of a lifeboat to make room for himself. Maybe he can find something in common with EU leaders and strike a deal. I just worry he will put himself before country though.
Crab. Who?
Fox. Where has he been?
A pretty sorry bunch it turns out to be.
If I had to choose one now, it would be Steve Crab, but only because he has a funny name which has potential to lend itself to a few puns. This is the level my faith in UK politics has sunk to.
if I had to channel the (sometimes insincere) socialist and anti brexit part of my personality i'd be filled with glee by your post - the brexit movement is being split by a media carefully manipulating evidence (leadsom, whom I never liked, I think we need another thatcher like a hole in the head, did in fact say much more nunanced stuff in that recording about eu's democratic mandate etc). but point scoring and party politics aside I think one interesting thing is that the traditional uk mainstream p[olitical parties are sincerely breaking up, on both sides, which must be a good thing
My post was only based on if we trigger article 50, the period would then only be likely to be two years to being out, since other members have clearly lost patience with us.
I'm not certain article 50 will be triggered but think on balance it probably will be.
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I am for once in agreement with you on the quality of MP's of all parties that we are allegedly represented by, and congratulations on your mastery of the English language when roused has my sincere admiration.
We are all for different reasons feeling badly let down by the very people we have to rely on to steer the ship of state.
I can't see a general election helping either as there is now actually no opposition ( though it has to be said that in reality there was only an appearance of one before, and now even that has vanished)
The general reason for the Brexit win was a protest at abuse of power.
Here's a misquote for the day that covers it.
"Will no one save us from this troublesome Parliament?"
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Not an MP yet but could be in the future - don't write him off yet:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/12/nigel-farage-becomes-mp-ukip-unresignation_n_7267042.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/12/nigel-farage-becomes-mp-ukip-unresignation_n_7267042.html
FWIW the Economist Intelligence Unit predicts a recession with the economy shrinking 1% next year (GDP will be 4% lower, unemployment sharply up, budget deficit back up to 5.5%) and OECD says Brexit will be a bigger hit to the economy than 2008 or any other post world war 2 crisis. It would take a positively thick, psychopathic politician (and Boris has left the room), or a maniac (Farage anyone?) to trigger article 50 when all of that hits the fan and public consciousness.
Which is probably the reason why the decision is being delayed. Only this morning Home Office minister James Brokenshire has said it won't be until the end of the year, and there's some talk of next Spring.
The longer it drags on, the greater the chance that the referendum result will be set aside.
However, I still think article 50 will on balance be triggered.
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Todays example of spin from the Daily Mail
Headline
Andrea Leadsom woos Tories with promise to be the 'heir' to Thatcher - but REFUSES to rule out bringing in Nigel Farage if she beats Theresa May to Tory crown
But she refused to rule out appointing Ukip leader Nigel Farage to her Brexit negotiating team if she overhauls the front runner to become PM.
What she actually said
Asked directly if she would bring in Mr Farage, she said: 'I don't want to get into who does what.'
Where does REFUSES fit in that for response, for instance does that mean she REFUSES to appoint say the Dalai Lhama?
Thank goodness we have an unbiased Press, if not you could believe that they (Meaning that Dear Rupert Murdoch) don't like this candidate.
And of course as we all know, the public have not been exposed to any lies innuendo, scurrilous gossip, distortion of the facts or myths during the referendum campaign have they?
Time we had an enquiry into who has their hand up the backside of the Glove puppet that masquerades as "Free Press" in this country, and exposes their motives too.
It will of course be a very short list, just the usual suspects.
This is a sham election as the man who matters will tell them who to choose and what to do.
What we are witnessing is Scare Campaign 2 the sequal: Revenge of the UKIP
Farage has now replaced the EU on the Conservative Threatometer.
Watch the press start being less than complimentary towards this odious individual.
After all Corbyn is no longer there to get the flak in reality is he?
"The Tories, every election, must have a bogey man. If you haven't got a programme, a bogey man will do. "
Aneurin Bevan
Headline
Andrea Leadsom woos Tories with promise to be the 'heir' to Thatcher - but REFUSES to rule out bringing in Nigel Farage if she beats Theresa May to Tory crown
But she refused to rule out appointing Ukip leader Nigel Farage to her Brexit negotiating team if she overhauls the front runner to become PM.
What she actually said
Asked directly if she would bring in Mr Farage, she said: 'I don't want to get into who does what.'
Where does REFUSES fit in that for response, for instance does that mean she REFUSES to appoint say the Dalai Lhama?
Thank goodness we have an unbiased Press, if not you could believe that they (Meaning that Dear Rupert Murdoch) don't like this candidate.
And of course as we all know, the public have not been exposed to any lies innuendo, scurrilous gossip, distortion of the facts or myths during the referendum campaign have they?
Time we had an enquiry into who has their hand up the backside of the Glove puppet that masquerades as "Free Press" in this country, and exposes their motives too.
It will of course be a very short list, just the usual suspects.
This is a sham election as the man who matters will tell them who to choose and what to do.
What we are witnessing is Scare Campaign 2 the sequal: Revenge of the UKIP
Farage has now replaced the EU on the Conservative Threatometer.
Watch the press start being less than complimentary towards this odious individual.
After all Corbyn is no longer there to get the flak in reality is he?
"The Tories, every election, must have a bogey man. If you haven't got a programme, a bogey man will do. "
Aneurin Bevan
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