Tillson said using the kidology name Norway Plus.What idiot thinks that is going to be easy to sell to the public now?
However, to suit the Brexiters, I think Norway Minus might be more apposite, since they want less EU, not more.
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Tillson said using the kidology name Norway Plus.What idiot thinks that is going to be easy to sell to the public now?
Don't tease him it's cruel to mock the (insert choice of words here)Tillson said using the kidology name Norway Plus.
However, to suit the Brexiters, I think Norway Minus might be more apposite, since they want less EU, not more.
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If not Norway Minus, we could adopt the Swiss multiple agreement deal, full of holes like their cheese.Don't tease him it's cruel to mock the (insert choice of words here)
Exactly...the referendum was a minor skirmish by the troops,the Generals will procrastinate long enough to steal time.Nor should they push the button. This needs to drag on through the election periods for other EU countries, in particular France. Whilst this is hanging in the air, it will fuel the appetite for referendums across the EU and see its eventual demise.
The EU are desperate for us to pull the trigger on 50. Each day we don't strengthens our position.
Brendan...on this we disagree,the refurendum was solely about immigration,Corbyn/Osborne and Cameron never understood this,that is why they lost the plot.No it wasn't in my book, that's clearly down to what you have been reading
It was clearly about taking back control and the right to control who comes here and who doesn't, in line with our economic requirements and ability to absorb them in terms of services and integration
Fleck.....why would we trigger Article 50? The referendum has no legal power and 450 MPs voted to remain,16 million voters also voted to remain,why would we trigger Article 50?I agree, I don't see an extension beyond two years likely, so then we'll be out. That's when things get interesting though, since only then will we start to see who gets any satisfaction from the move. That might take years to be fully revealed.
We seem to have exchanged one rocky road for another.
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Dave, I think we are saying the same thing, my response was to suggestions by others that Brexit offered zero immigration and stopping it , whilst clearly some in the Brexit camp may have thought that I don't think that was the consensus, the remainers just like to paint it that way so they can say it has been renaged on. You know usual negative stuff and misquotes, selective hearing and selective factsBrendan...on this we disagree,the refurendum was solely about immigration,Corbyn/Osborne and Cameron never understood this,that is why they lost the plot.
But Theresa May will ,in hindsight,see the error,pretend she is pro Brexit but work towards a happy equilibrium that all parties....leavers,EU,remainers,Farage get something positive out of this and we will be distracted by some other world event.
KudosDave
Perhaps because the powers that be want to prove to the public once and for all that they , not the public are the only once wise enough to rule, by demonstrating that a decision by a majority of the public leads to disaster?Fleck.....why would we trigger Article 50? The referendum has no legal power and 450 MPs voted to remain,16 million voters also voted to remain,why would we trigger Article 50?
KudosDave
I am sorry that Cameron is going. Replacing him with anyone of the five candidates will not help us in the next 2 years. None of them strikes me as intelligent and charismatic. My choice would have been Philip Hammond if he were to run.I think they are desperate for us to trigger the exit process. Once Andrea Leadsom takes over, I'm confident she will be more than capable of playing them at their own game. The goodness will start to flow.
Agree with most of that.Time to look at the integrity of the Politicians now competing for leadership of the Conservative Party and in particular the Schizophrenia of the Daily Express that manages to be both for and against one of the contenders on the same page, same day
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'Hypocritical' Brexit backer and PM hopeful Andrea Leadsom wanted Britain to remain in EU
TORY leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has been labelled a hypocrite after sensationally changing her stance on Brexit.
By PATRICK CHRISTYS
The Energy Minister campaigned for a Leave vote in the EU referendum, despite previously claiming leaving the Brussels bloc would be a “disaster”.
Three years ago, Mrs Leadsom, who has emerged as the leading rival to Theresa May’s bid to become the next prime minister, said: “I’m going to nail my colours to the mast here: I don’t think the UK should leave the EU."
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You have to make allowances, it is the Express after all and I don't think Rupert approves of this candidate. Who knows whether or not she voted leave in the expectation the cause would fail? after all Boris did, didn't he?
And also this.
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Britain on fast-track to Brexit pledges Tory wanna-be PM Andrea Leadsom
ANDREA LEADSOM, who has become a surprise favourite in the race to be the next prime minister, has promised to put Britain on the fast track to Brexit.
She has leapfrogged Justice Secretary Michael Gove in the race to Number 10 and says she is considering whether Britain could leave the EU by an Act of Parliament, which could see us quitting as early as next spring.
Mrs Leadsom, 53, said: “I believe our future will be so much greater when we leave the EU and so I am utterly determined to deliver on that promise."
Parliamentary honesty and Integrity at it's best eh?
They have found a sucker to carry the can!
if I had to channel the (sometimes insincere) socialist and anti brexit part of my personality i'd be filled with glee by your post - the brexit movement is being split by a media carefully manipulating evidence (leadsom, whom I never liked, I think we need another thatcher like a hole in the head, did in fact say much more nunanced stuff in that recording about eu's democratic mandate etc). but point scoring and party politics aside I think one interesting thing is that the traditional uk mainstream p[olitical parties are sincerely breaking up, on both sides, which must be a good thingAgree with most of that.
I was a Leadsom supporter, but I'm disappointed to hear that recording of her speaking in 2013. No way back for her. Trust has gone.
May is a disaster. Everything she touches breaks or is damaged beyond repair. Also backed remain, sort of, not really, honest. No trust in her either.
Gove. Back stabbing, snide, underhand $h!t of a man who would probably throw a child out of a lifeboat to make room for himself. Maybe he can find something in common with EU leaders and strike a deal. I just worry he will put himself before country though.
Crab. Who?
Fox. Where has he been?
A pretty sorry bunch it turns out to be.
If I had to choose one now, it would be Steve Crab, but only because he has a funny name which has potential to lend itself to a few puns. This is the level my faith in UK politics has sunk to.
My post was only based on if we trigger article 50, the period would then only be likely to be two years to being out, since other members have clearly lost patience with us.Fleck.....why would we trigger Article 50? The referendum has no legal power and 450 MPs voted to remain,16 million voters also voted to remain,why would we trigger Article 50?
KudosDave
I am for once in agreement with you on the quality of MP's of all parties that we are allegedly represented by, and congratulations on your mastery of the English language when roused has my sincere admiration.Agree with most of that.
I was a Leadsom supporter, but I'm disappointed to hear that recording of her speaking in 2013. No way back for her. Trust has gone.
May is a disaster. Everything she touches breaks or is damaged beyond repair. Also backed remain, sort of, not really, honest. No trust in her either.
Gove. Back stabbing, snide, underhand $h!t of a man who would probably throw a child out of a lifeboat to make room for himself. Maybe he can find something in common with EU leaders and strike a deal. I just worry he will put himself before country though.
Crab. Who?
Fox. Where has he been?
A pretty sorry bunch it turns out to be.
If I had to choose one now, it would be Steve Crab, but only because he has a funny name which has potential to lend itself to a few puns. This is the level my faith in UK politics has sunk to.
FWIW the Economist Intelligence Unit predicts a recession with the economy shrinking 1% next year (GDP will be 4% lower, unemployment sharply up, budget deficit back up to 5.5%) and OECD says Brexit will be a bigger hit to the economy than 2008 or any other post world war 2 crisis. It would take a positively thick, psychopathic politician (and Boris has left the room), or a maniac (Farage anyone?) to trigger article 50 when all of that hits the fan and public consciousness.My post was only based on if we trigger article 50, the period would then only be likely to be two years to being out, since other members have clearly lost patience with us.
I'm not certain article 50 will be triggered but think on balance it probably will be.
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Which is probably the reason why the decision is being delayed. Only this morning Home Office minister James Brokenshire has said it won't be until the end of the year, and there's some talk of next Spring.FWIW the Economist Intelligence Unit predicts a recession with the economy shrinking 1% next year (GDP will be 4% lower, unemployment sharply up, budget deficit back up to 5.5%) and OECD says Brexit will be a bigger hit to the economy than 2008 or any other post world war 2 crisis. It would take a positively thick, psychopathic politician (and Boris has left the room), or a maniac (Farage anyone?) to trigger article 50 when all of that hits the fan and public consciousness.