soft brexit is just an associate membership.
We want to trade but don't want to merge with the rest.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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We want to trade but don't want to merge with the rest.
another brexit platitude - care to explain what you mean with "taking back control"? the eu is about the benefits of collective, shared values, interests over narrow nationalist, racist self interest. apologies for stating the obvious, but that's why it was created, it could do the same for the narrow minded racist elements in british society that it did post war for the same dynamic in broader European politics.
You should really check out how much EU laws get imported into EFTA countries.
the EU has a clear stated aim: an ever closer union. A federated state.
There are plenty of people who prefer the UK to be an independent state, not merged with others.
More fool them, as there is no perceivable advantage, if there was we may as well break up the UK as well.
How can the federated UK be an independent state?
You simply can't have it both ways, saying one federation is good but another is not.
that's a question I don't find an answer for. My family is spread between France and Germany and I made my life in the UK. Yet, I yearn to keep France, Germany and UK the way they were.
A lot of Brexiters think 'taking back control' is another way of saying controlling immigration....but we already have the right to control non EU immigration and that still exceeds EU immigration.
Before we can take back control we need to know who is in our country,how long they have been here,why they are here and when are they leaving....I suppose that is what Amber Rudds registration scheme is all about,but have we any faith in its success,its going to take a year.
Woosh...I am sure you have been to China to visit factories,the chinese know exactly where a foreigner is,at any time,why cant we do this?....it doesnt need Brexit to control our borders.
KudosDave
Before we can take back control we need to know who is in our country,how long they have been here,why they are here and when are they leaving....I suppose that is what Amber Rudds registration scheme is all about,but have we any faith in its success,its going to take a year.
Woosh...I am sure you have been to China to visit factories,the chinese know exactly where a foreigner is,at any time,why cant we do this?....it doesnt need Brexit to control our borders.
KudosDave
there are plenty of people with an interest in necrophilia. it doesn't mean we make it a key part of the national curriculum. it's the 21st century, most civilised life forms take a greater interests in values and principles than arbitrary geographic boundaries. you are I think saying you suffer from some form of patriotism and that you think Britain "should be made great again"? what was that I was saying about grandiose delusions..
All the contact I have with EU laws seem very sensible to me,this latest one about controlling our data seems a good idea. The EU have harmonised so many varying standards to make it easier to sell across the single market,many under the CE logo....how often do you see the UK kite mark these days....it is going to be a nightmare if we have to go back to obsolete UK standards.
EN 15194 is a good example,how are we going to sell into Europe under the old UK standards...I suppose we will only be able to sell in the UK???
KudosDave
that is not the case. I much prefer slow economic growth and slow pace of change. That's not possible while staying inside the EU.
look, in a less heated sense I can completely sympathise with your desire for a Europe with varied cultural contexts. I like it that way too. but an integrated Europe does not threaten that, it enhances it. a healthy family is one I which differences are not only tolerated, but allowed increasing free expression. its again stating the obvious but uk had much more international clout as part of the eu and (and I am originally from Belgium) local;l culture thrives in the eu
In a way, I much prefer the cultural EU to the SM, the economic EU and yet, participating in the SM we must.
at present, wages across the EU vary as much as 300%-400%.
That causes mass migration and too much EU interference with local decision making process.
at present, wages across the EU vary as much as 300%-400%.
That causes mass migration and too much EU interference with local decision making process.
You do realise you could be describing the UK, or even England... or even this part of Yorkshire?
You're problems aren't solved by leaving the EU, even if its softly.
Having government minders following every visitor could solve UK unemployment.. ;-)
The EU doesn't prevent France, Germany and the UK retaining their unique characters and won't in the future, and we have two proofs of that here in the UK.
The closest possible federation has existed in Great Britain for 250 years, that of England and Wales with Scotland. Through most of that time the vast majority of laws and standards have been common and the borders between them open.
Yet the Scots and Welsh each retain their undeniably unique characters, dialects and accents, even common language in the case of the Welsh, national foods and divers customs. None of these has been suppressed or repressed in any way by our union as a federation with three layers, Britain, Great Britain and UK.
So what you fear about EU federation doesn't exist other than as fear, it has no actuality.
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Nothing to do with the EU, everything to do with the UK Government, which will be even worse outside the EU
It hasn't a clue how to run the country now, even with the EU wiping it's backside.
Outside the EU it will set new standards for incompetence, even for itself and find it is utterly out of it's depth.
It's proving that every day, right now, isn't it?
We may as well ... hang on, I've got it
We should bequeath the entire nation and all it's assets to the National Trust
perhaps they can have it Stuffed, re-upholstered, freshly painted, staffed by Volunteers and opened as a tourist attraction..
Foreigners can come and view it as a sort of "Jurassic park"
Which will go down "Bigly" with Rees Mogg and the Brexit Voters.
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we will become an unexciting Albania, European adolescents will come as adventure tourists to do charity work and research on evolutionary dead-ends