Brexit, for once some facts.
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As an aside from the thread, but actually cogent to the discussion as it refers to the way the Public are kept informed is the news that Internal Combustion engines are to be phased out by 2040.
The statistics say "The toxic fumes are estimated to cause 23,500 early deaths a year and the problem was declared a public health emergency by a cross-party committee last year.
While not for a moment disputing that Pollution kills it is surely reasonable to expect these things
How much polllution is attached to building, running and disposal?
We are told the figures are estimates, how about providing some PROOF that can be examined and checked?
Estimates have given us Brexit
The statistics say "The toxic fumes are estimated to cause 23,500 early deaths a year and the problem was declared a public health emergency by a cross-party committee last year.
While not for a moment disputing that Pollution kills it is surely reasonable to expect these things
- Actual checkable Proof, showing evidence linking causation with a list of victims and whether the evidence is provable
- A register of the Death certificates of victims, where are the 23,500 buried?
- Proof that changing to Electric or Hybrid Technologies is liable to be the answer..
How much polllution is attached to building, running and disposal?
We are told the figures are estimates, how about providing some PROOF that can be examined and checked?
Estimates have given us Brexit
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I believe pollution causes a lot more deaths than the estimated 23,500 a year if you take into account diseases aggravated by pollution that affect other organs than the respiratory system.
Fine, point me at the Figures that prove the case.
Simple request really I'm quite prepared to believe it's true, just want proof, not estimates.
And some proof the answer will be the right one.
I have to go out today, I'll look up some research papers for you tonight.
Caught out once again for breaking the law, this tory apology for a government should be jailed for crimes against the people!
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The media seems to have been trying to hype the ban on credit card levies as being an example of how benevolent and caring this tory government is towards its people. Of course, no credit whatsoever should be given to this government as the legislation is pan-European, being an EU initiative.
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Let me offer this, there is currently great concern about the continuing and soon to be critical fall in the Sperm Count of Western Men
Isn't this likely to be a result of pollution levels? and shouldn't this be the "Flavour of the Month?"
Pollution needs to be directly linked to dangerous changes, with published Documentary evidence, not simply spouted as "Estimates" by Politicians, who may well have a vested interest in proposing changes that actually make matters worse.
Living is by far the greatest cause of deaths among all life forms on Earth.
Pollution is alleviating the problem by reducing the incidence of living.
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OG, I approve your stance, but you will never find that 23000 death certs identifying pollution as the primary cause. Death certs are much more specific and proximate.
What there should be are peer reviewed statistical analysis of health consequences for specific levels of aerosols, not just bland statements.
Recall if you will a heatwave in France about a decade ago, in which the number of excess deaths in the Paris region was of comparable size. I doubt that many of the certs indicated heatstroke, they would have listed instead pulmonary conditions and heart attacks...
Agreed, the point I was trying to make was that there are Claims made to suit political agendas, and other attributes of Pollution that are equally important are simply either not connected, or ignored.
The "Death Certificate" remark was of course Tongue in Cheek, but does indicate a lack of peer reviewable data.
To compound that the answers arrived at are similarly not adequately research proven to be a reasonable response, and the consequences not considered enough.
After all Climate Change was going to be answered by switching to Diesel, wasn't it?
It was going to save the planet, shame that the collateral damage was to kill of a portion of the Human Race in the process of course!
Or just "Sudden death", which doctors in France are permitted to enter on death certificates. Here in the UK doctors have to be specific.
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Last year our wonderful politicians voted in laws which allow spying on all UK citizens, they can spy on your phone conversations, your e-mails, even your very thoughts, okay I made the last bit up, anyways this must be done to prevent terrorism.
This year they have decided that UK citizens are clearly watching too much porn and thus new laws to curb this must be introduced, to protect the children of course.
Now I remember the eighties, the Sun newspaper and it's video nasties nonsense, this resulted in high censorship, lots of control over what people could watch, led by chief wannabe film maker aka censor James Ferman, one man who by all accounts had massive power to tell people what they can watch or not watch, the very people who worked for him said he was a control freak and wanted to 'protect the nations children' from harm, he also had ambitions to be a film director and would recut films and remove violent scenes and edit a film the way he wanted it seen.
What's my point here, well many of the films Ferman censored later got re-released uncut when he retired in the late nineties, some with lower certificates, some banned films, classic horror like The Exorcist got released, guess what, the UK didn't fall apart, murder rates did not increase, there were no mass brawls in the street, censorship is about control, its straight out of George Orwells 1984 and as a huge film fan it annoyed the hell out of me back then and I always wonder when the Tories, the party of control will start that rubbish again.
Trying to control the internet is going to make us like China, it always starts off with 'the best intentions' as we must protect the children, well guess what, those children probably know how to get around censorship blocks that rely on age verification or internet companies blocking lists, it's called a VPN, you know what VPN's are also used for, to stop people spying on you and to protect your privacy and China is planning to ban them as their citizens can access the full internet and democracy by using a VPN, my gut tells me sometime later next year our Tory politicians will try and ban VPN's by saying children are using them to access adult content, the real reason they want them banned is because they would then be able to get past the privacy a VPN gives us, its all nefarious and snooping charters do not protect any of us from terrorists who use the dark web.
I also found it interesting that the advertising standards authority is now playing gender politics and wants to promote their idea of equality, political correctness nonsense is all I see, creeping censorship is on the increase and its always a worry to see that when a Tory party is in power.
This year they have decided that UK citizens are clearly watching too much porn and thus new laws to curb this must be introduced, to protect the children of course.
Now I remember the eighties, the Sun newspaper and it's video nasties nonsense, this resulted in high censorship, lots of control over what people could watch, led by chief wannabe film maker aka censor James Ferman, one man who by all accounts had massive power to tell people what they can watch or not watch, the very people who worked for him said he was a control freak and wanted to 'protect the nations children' from harm, he also had ambitions to be a film director and would recut films and remove violent scenes and edit a film the way he wanted it seen.
What's my point here, well many of the films Ferman censored later got re-released uncut when he retired in the late nineties, some with lower certificates, some banned films, classic horror like The Exorcist got released, guess what, the UK didn't fall apart, murder rates did not increase, there were no mass brawls in the street, censorship is about control, its straight out of George Orwells 1984 and as a huge film fan it annoyed the hell out of me back then and I always wonder when the Tories, the party of control will start that rubbish again.
Trying to control the internet is going to make us like China, it always starts off with 'the best intentions' as we must protect the children, well guess what, those children probably know how to get around censorship blocks that rely on age verification or internet companies blocking lists, it's called a VPN, you know what VPN's are also used for, to stop people spying on you and to protect your privacy and China is planning to ban them as their citizens can access the full internet and democracy by using a VPN, my gut tells me sometime later next year our Tory politicians will try and ban VPN's by saying children are using them to access adult content, the real reason they want them banned is because they would then be able to get past the privacy a VPN gives us, its all nefarious and snooping charters do not protect any of us from terrorists who use the dark web.
I also found it interesting that the advertising standards authority is now playing gender politics and wants to promote their idea of equality, political correctness nonsense is all I see, creeping censorship is on the increase and its always a worry to see that when a Tory party is in power.
Some are comparing Brexit to Dunkirk...the English military campaign that lead up to Dunkirk was considered by many as an incompetent disaster,we cobbled together an evacuation from Dunkirk that rescued much of our army but left us without any real defence aside from the Navy and the English Channel. We went back in 4 years later,stronger and wiser.
It looks like Davis is similarly badly prepared,we will be kicked out of Europe,and have to learn a big lesson that will hurt a lot post Brexit....still Brexiters want the pain and are prepared to pay for it,like Mosley they enjoy a good whipping,hehe.
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It looks like Davis is similarly badly prepared,we will be kicked out of Europe,and have to learn a big lesson that will hurt a lot post Brexit....still Brexiters want the pain and are prepared to pay for it,like Mosley they enjoy a good whipping,hehe.
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There was a poll in The Daily Mirror yesterday, it was close, the nation is still split on Brexit, one person said they wanted out now as 20m people voted and Europe has never given us a fair deal, it's obvious to me people believe the spin and lies told by Boris and his chums.
....and what plans do they have in place to increase the electricity generating capacity to a level where it replaces the energy that we currently extract from petrol and diesel fuels? They probably think that they just need to order a grubby, overall wearing, adjustable spanner wanking, engineering type pleb to go and build a Dyson Sphere around the sun. That should fix it.
Hang on a minute, all of our graduates are trained in party planning, photography and media studies. Better call China, the country's emergency help line.
Exactly Tillson. On present plans we are only going to be able to match our current electricity consumption with new and replacement generation in that time, and even that is far from certain.
Currently the government is desperately trying to get us to bail them out on generating shortfall. Their first try has been smart meters, but that has failed to produce the savings they hoped for. So now they want us to buy hugely expensive home battery packs to store current at off peak times so we can make good shortfalls at peak times in the near future.
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But hybrid will still be allowed....what is a hybrid?....a 250 watt motor in one wheel connected to a 10,5 Ah battery and a V10 x650 hp petrol engine as back up/recharge. Hold on there's a business here converting BMW 6-series into hybrids.
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Exactly, calling hybrids electric cars is a sham, especially those that don't plug in to charge. Even on the plug-in ones are scarcely e-cars. The much TV advertised Mitsubishi plug-in hybrids for example cover around 28 miles on their fully charged battery, when it's new. Ok for the supermarket and school runs I suppose, but not "green" for anything else.
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