Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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In light of recent Grenfell tower tragedy this news is extremely disturbing
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Large blaze breaks out at brand new block of £1million flats in East London 'after solar panels catch fire'

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2017/07/02/2864086522836304500/636x382_MP4_2864086522836304500.mp4


And the panels are not right next to each other, but they are all ablaze!
More details here
http://www.sfpe.org/?page=FPE_ET_Issue_92
These panels are being fitted all over the country including of course where i live, fortunately not on my roof.

You have to wonder how such designs get into the market place.
Strange we've heard so little about these setting off fires.

Germany doesn't seem to have any bother with this, despite being a leader in using photo-voltaics with about 1.5 million systems producing almost 7% of their electricity this way.
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oldgroaner

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Strange we've heard so little about these setting off fires.

Germany doesn't seem to have any bother with this, despite being a leader in using photo-voltaics with about 1.5 million systems producing almost 7% of their electricity this way.
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Apparently from the articles I have read there are wide variations in the fireproof qualities of the different suppliers and types of solar panels.
Now where have we seen something like that before?
 
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anotherkiwi

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Apparently California is making so much solar electricity that the grid is melting so they are paying Arizona to take it off their hands... How about an on/off switch? If you disconnect the panels from the grid they won't overload it... Use the electricity to desalinate water for your drought inducing avocado plantations?
 
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oldtom

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It's just difficult to see who would have the nerve to stand up and shout...BREXIT IS A BAD IDEA,WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE POORER AND WE SHOULD FORGET ABOUT IT.....May wouldn't dare,Corbyn wouldn't dare......Hammond??????
KudosDave
Johnson and Gove have chosen to speak out now in favour of a cessation of the public sector pay cap. That means they now support a policy diametrically opposed to one given their full support repeatedly in the past.

The only reason these sham populists are doing this now is exactly the same as May's choice to link with the DUP - they are terrified of being overthrown and it is an extension of the 'anyone but Corbyn policy'.

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oldtom

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The more I look at this, the better I understand why the person who posted it to social media saw something in the likeness....well, of a sort!

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The first foursome has pretty well disappeared from mainstream popularity and the other four are well on their way towards similar oblivion.

Tom
 
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tillson

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Johnson and Gove have chosen to speak out now in favour of a cessation of the public sector pay cap. That means they now support a policy diametrically opposed to one given their full support repeatedly in the past.

The only reason these sham populists are doing this now is exactly the same as May's choice to link with the DUP - they are terrified of being overthrown and it is an extension of the 'anyone but Corbyn policy'.

Tom
A couple of years ago, I remember an irate friend telling me that the independent pay review body had recommended a pay rise of above 1% for the police. May, as then Home Secretary, threatened to scrap the pay body. The Police Federation, which is a weak organisation due to it not being able to invoke any form of industrial action, then started to take legal action over May's refusal to acknowledge the existence of the independent pay review body. Her response to this, was to threaten to seize the assets of the Police Federation, something which a Home Secretary is apparently able to do. This is not government / public money, it is money paid into a trade body, to represent the interests of its members.

This gives a flavour of where May and this government sit over the rights of working people. They want workers positioned so that they have absolutely no right of redress on issues of fairness, pay and working conditions. The fact that they are now shapeshifting and seemingly getting behind a pay increase for public workers is a sham. Jeremy Corbyn absolutely has these clowns on the run and any apparent sympathy for public worker's suffering low pay is entirely false. They have shown their true colours and what their ultimate ambition is when they had the whip hand.
 

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if Mr Corbyn leads Labour to a customs union solution, then I will vote for him in the next GE.
 

Kudoscycles

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Theresa May has lost it.....the deal with the DUP pretty much meant she would have to satisfy all the public sector workers with a 3% pay rise and similar money to the Scots,Welsh and deprived areas of England...rough calculation £20 billion. In a couple of weeks the EU are going to want £87billion.
Better start tipping Miracle Grow on the Money Tree because we are going to need it to produce lots of fruit.
I thought Theresa May was a bright lady but she has made and continues to make some catastrophic decisions,do we really trust this lady and Davis to 'get the best possible deal for the UK' out of the EU.
I say Laura Kuenssberg for PM.
Theresa May must be thinking of quitting but maybe the Tories wont let her quit.
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Kudoscycles

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if Mr Corbyn leads Labour to a customs union solution, then I will vote for him in the next GE.
But the Tories and Labour have told us that we will be able to 'have our cake and eat it'.....we will have all the free movement offered by the customs union and Liam Fox will be able to negotiate free trade deals with the rest of the world....
Lets look at that in practice....consider bicycles....
We and the rest of the EU currently have an anti-dumping duty tariff with chinese bicycle manufacturers,combined with normal tariffs this duty adds up to 60%.
If Liam Fox achieves a free trade deal with China and Davis achieves a free trade deal with the EU,then we will be able to buy chinese bikes into the UK and legally sell those into Europe without any tariff. Meanwhile the remaining EU members continue to pay 60% tariff.
We would destroy the German bike industry.
The Germans are not stupid they wont let this happen,it is particularly critical between Northern Ireland and Eire,you could just ride the cheap NI bike across the border.
If we do a free trade deal with China,which could hurt our own inefficient manufacturers I think the EU will do the following.
At the moment think of an invisible red line drawn round all 28 states incuding the UK....I think the EU will move that line to a median down the middle of the English Channel....everything that crosses that line will be as if it came direct from China.
That will hurt badly all UK manufacturers who will suffer a double whammy,hit by cheap product from China and hurt by tariffs making the product noncompetitive in the EU.
THose who say that will hurt the Germans is only partly true,we will still buy VW,Audi,BMW and Merc,even if they cost 10% more,because we love German cars.
Try asking Liam Fox and I bet he doesnt even know what anti dumping duties are,my local MP (now kicked out by Labour) didnt understand them.
KudosDave
 

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Lets look at that in practice....consider bicycles....
We and the rest of the EU currently have an anti-dumping duty tariff with chinese bicycle manufacturers,combined with normal tariffs this duty adds up to 60%.
If Liam Fox achieves a free trade deal with China and Davis achieves a free trade deal with the EU,then we will be able to buy chinese bikes into the UK and legally sell those into Europe without any tariff. Meanwhile the remaining EU members continue to pay 60% tariff.
We would destroy the German bike industry...
And French and Portuguese and Spanish and Czech and Italian and... The EU still has mainstream bike manufacturers as well as the high end ones and who employ people who have jobs and who pay taxes etc. etc. The UK only has a tiny high end craftsman bike industry.

Intersport is riding on the "designed and assembled in France" wave with some frames made in France and others in the EU. Decathlon is not pushing "made in the EU" as a sales pitch but its frames are made there.

The bike tariff is a good thing which preserves jobs and if you ask the workers, interesting jobs.
 
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Woosh

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it will never come to unfair competition at that level, even if we leave without a deal. Firstly, it will take longer to negotiate an FTA with a country as big as China and the USA compared to an FTA with the EU, which is our top priority, customs union or not. Secondly, I think import duty on bike parts from China is 4.7% at the moment. Thirdly, if any UK manufacturers want to sell duty free into the EU, they can't cheat by claiming 'made in UK' without attracting complaints from their EU competitors if the products are made up with a substantial imported contents.
 

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