Brexit, for once some facts.
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I doubt that there has ever been a worse run major change in our long and sordid history.
Are they trying to bore the population into forgetting how major a change this will be?
We can all rest easy that Mr Davis, a man of great Political Perspicacity is negotiating the Brexit deal on our behalf
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David Davis admits he told Theresa May to call disastrous election - and he hasn't apologised
He said he hasn't said sorry to the PM because he "didn't design the campaign"
Actually if I was her I would feel extremely lucky that he hadn't, as tar and feathers would ruin those fancy shoes as well as everything else.
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David Davis admits he told Theresa May to call disastrous election - and he hasn't apologised
He said he hasn't said sorry to the PM because he "didn't design the campaign"
Actually if I was her I would feel extremely lucky that he hadn't, as tar and feathers would ruin those fancy shoes as well as everything else.
From the Express
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David Davis threatens Brussels with Brexit 'WALK AWAY' if EU tries to 'PUNISH or DELAY'
BREXIT Secretary David Davis has reaffirmed Britain’s willingness to walk away from the European Union talks if Brussels attempt to punish Britain over their European divorce.
It isn't "Britain's Willingness" you blithering idiot it's yours and the other right wing nut jobs you represent.
But what can you expect from the Express?
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David Davis threatens Brussels with Brexit 'WALK AWAY' if EU tries to 'PUNISH or DELAY'
BREXIT Secretary David Davis has reaffirmed Britain’s willingness to walk away from the European Union talks if Brussels attempt to punish Britain over their European divorce.
It isn't "Britain's Willingness" you blithering idiot it's yours and the other right wing nut jobs you represent.
But what can you expect from the Express?
Davis now says
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Davis said the Tories had been dealt a “different hand” after being stripped of their majority in the general election.
He also said he could not be “100% sure” that Britain would secure a Brexit deal at the end of its talks with the EU27, insisting he never claimed it would be an easy process.
Put simply that is a Lie
Asked if he was absolutely sure there would be a deal at the end of the two-year process, Davis replied: “I’m pretty sure, I’m not 100% sure. It is a negotiation.”
Pressed on the issue, he said there would be a deal but added that he could not be certain it would involve the free trade deal and customs agreement Britain was asking for.
“I never said it was a breeze,” he said. “I said it will be turbulent, there will be difficulties but at the end there is a point of common interest.”
Where does the lie come it? Lets look back at his previous statements
"The staunch Leave backer, a former Europe Minister, however said during the referendum campaign that Britain would negotiate individual trade deals with other EU countries.
However one of the main basic features of the European Union is that EU countries cannot negotiate individual trade deals with outside countries and instead do so as a bloc of 28.
The basic fact, which was paraded by other parts of the Leave campaign during the referendum, leaves Ms Davis’s original plan for one-on-one trade deals in tatters.
“Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else,” he said on 26 May 2016
One hopes someone has put him wise to some of the facts, but I doubt it.
let's face it the man is incompetent and totally inept
But then the Leave Campaign had no idea what it was doing at the time of the referendum and it clearly still doesn't does it?
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Davis said the Tories had been dealt a “different hand” after being stripped of their majority in the general election.
He also said he could not be “100% sure” that Britain would secure a Brexit deal at the end of its talks with the EU27, insisting he never claimed it would be an easy process.
Put simply that is a Lie
Asked if he was absolutely sure there would be a deal at the end of the two-year process, Davis replied: “I’m pretty sure, I’m not 100% sure. It is a negotiation.”
Pressed on the issue, he said there would be a deal but added that he could not be certain it would involve the free trade deal and customs agreement Britain was asking for.
“I never said it was a breeze,” he said. “I said it will be turbulent, there will be difficulties but at the end there is a point of common interest.”
Where does the lie come it? Lets look back at his previous statements
"The staunch Leave backer, a former Europe Minister, however said during the referendum campaign that Britain would negotiate individual trade deals with other EU countries.
However one of the main basic features of the European Union is that EU countries cannot negotiate individual trade deals with outside countries and instead do so as a bloc of 28.
The basic fact, which was paraded by other parts of the Leave campaign during the referendum, leaves Ms Davis’s original plan for one-on-one trade deals in tatters.
“Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else,” he said on 26 May 2016
One hopes someone has put him wise to some of the facts, but I doubt it.
let's face it the man is incompetent and totally inept
But then the Leave Campaign had no idea what it was doing at the time of the referendum and it clearly still doesn't does it?
Davis is a card isn't he?
Taking back control is high on his list, well, perhaps not....
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UK willing to do deal on European Court of Justice's influence after Brexit, says David Davis
Minister says future trade disputes could be resolved by a new body that may involve European officials
Cabinet minister David Davis has signalled he is willing to do a deal with Brussels over the European Court of Justice's influence in the UK after Brexit.
He said the UK would consider setting up a new arbitration body that would include European officials to rule in future trade disputes.
The Brexit Secretary was adamant that it would not mean the ECJ itself continuing to have a role, something Theresa May has made a red-line in her approach.
Am I the only one to smell a "Sell out"?
Negotiating with the EU is going to seem like a walk in the park compared to selling these ideas to the people who voted for Brexit.
Taking back control is high on his list, well, perhaps not....
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UK willing to do deal on European Court of Justice's influence after Brexit, says David Davis
Minister says future trade disputes could be resolved by a new body that may involve European officials
Cabinet minister David Davis has signalled he is willing to do a deal with Brussels over the European Court of Justice's influence in the UK after Brexit.
He said the UK would consider setting up a new arbitration body that would include European officials to rule in future trade disputes.
The Brexit Secretary was adamant that it would not mean the ECJ itself continuing to have a role, something Theresa May has made a red-line in her approach.
Am I the only one to smell a "Sell out"?
Negotiating with the EU is going to seem like a walk in the park compared to selling these ideas to the people who voted for Brexit.
You would think after the Grenfell Tower disaster the Government would have had second thoughts on this websites contents.
https://cutting-red-tape.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/
This paragraph sums up the Tory Viewpoint on Safety Perfectly
Businesses with good records have had fire safety inspections reduced from 6 hours to 45 minutes, allowing managers to quickly get back to their day job.
Perhaps a Government spokesman would care to go there or indeed to meet the residents of any Tower Block and explain the benefits of this Government initiative?
https://cutting-red-tape.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/
This paragraph sums up the Tory Viewpoint on Safety Perfectly
Businesses with good records have had fire safety inspections reduced from 6 hours to 45 minutes, allowing managers to quickly get back to their day job.
Perhaps a Government spokesman would care to go there or indeed to meet the residents of any Tower Block and explain the benefits of this Government initiative?
The Express just had a Poll
Should Brexit day be a Bank Holiday?
Oh Dear, it didn't work out well,
I voted No there is nothing to celebrate and for the First time EVER I was one of the 100%
They won't be pleased about that!
Should Brexit day be a Bank Holiday?
Oh Dear, it didn't work out well,
I voted No there is nothing to celebrate and for the First time EVER I was one of the 100%
They won't be pleased about that!
Better late than never suppose....but many of us knew that long before the negotiations ever started. The problem was that those who wanted to leave were only too eager to believe anything the proven liars who led the leave campaign said. All that bluster and bragging about how the UK would humble the EU........anyone credulous enough to believe those claims have now no license to upbraid the people who made them.
The incredible thing is that some of them, despite the odds, refuse to believe they have been deceived, and still harbour optimistic hopes that somehow sheer bloody mindedness will be enough for the UK (assuming it is still the UK) will be once again a soaring success on it's own.
They Harbour an astonishing misconception that when the Conservatives refer to "The Economy"
They personally are included in the people intended to benefit.
Mind you you have to go back about 250 years and the "Soaring success" consisted of exploiting not merely half of Humanity abroad, but our own lower orders for the benefit of the Elite.
This time the Elite will only have our own lower orders to abuse for profit.
Which could prove tricky...
We haven't got a plan
So nothing can go wrong
Spike Milligan
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What is truly frightening is that watching the news this evening it was revealed that of the samples of cladding submitted for testing from all over the country there has been 100% Failure!
Now before some fool protests that this hasn't been prevented by membership of the EU I would direct attention to the fact this this country isn't Governed by them, and when there is a Cabinet Office intent of reducing red tape and safety inspections, and our Government has cut funding to anything at all that can protect the public in any way from any harm of any kind.
If you feel inclined to offer such a stupid attack on the EU think twice before doing so.
The wisdom of hindsight and how gracious of you.
I still think that the concept of BREXIT has potential to yield benefits for the UK, but the people who put themselves forward to lead it have fallen short of the mark. I think we need to step back and take another look and for those who are leading to state what they are striving for and how they intend to get there.
There's so much nonsense in all this that I doubt anything can be believed. These blocks have all passed previous fire tests, the Grenfell Tower cladding for example passing the tests of fire resistance in 1997 and 2008.
There's clearly moving goalposts at play here.
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Perhaps because the earlier tests only required them to be resistant to external fires and these panels were fitted with an airgap between the building and panel and the fire attacked them from their vulnerable side?
So the previous tests, if that was the case were a fudge at best to permit the use of inadequate and cheaper panels.
And should have carried the caveat that there should not be an air gap between the panel and the building.
Sorry but as someone who worked in the design department of a boiler maker, I think heads should roll, including heads at hotpoint.
And in particular whoever they were, the so called designers who thought replacing an inert gas with isobutane .
And then to cover the back of the freezer with an inflammable panel because it's cheaper?
The company should face massive fines and lose its trading licence.
And isobutane banned as soon as a replacement found.
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Telegaph this morning
An example of art of Spin.
We will inevitably accept the sensible EU proposals on reciprocal Citizens rights published last June, but present them as a hard won victory.
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British tourists to be guaranteed free health treatment in Europe, Government to announce
Whatever, Mr Davis
Who re you kidding?
An example of art of Spin.
We will inevitably accept the sensible EU proposals on reciprocal Citizens rights published last June, but present them as a hard won victory.
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British tourists to be guaranteed free health treatment in Europe, Government to announce
Whatever, Mr Davis
Who re you kidding?
Would that include for food poisoning in parts of Spain? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/24/hotels-compensation-spain-cyprus-bogus-food-poisoning-claims
While we are on that side note why dont the Dutch and the Germans get food poisoning at the same hotel buffet? Maybe they aren't eating the curry?...
The Express is getting desperate
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'They don't even bother to hide it' BBC savaged over 'BIASED' Corbyn Glastonbury coverage
BBC bosses were facing growing anger last night at the allegedly biased coverage of Jeremy Corbyn’s trip to the Glastonbury Festival.
Apart from Murdochs cronies, exactly who is savaging the BBC over presenting news that doesn't fit in with their agenda?
Tory MP Andrew Bridgen added: “The BBC will do everything they can to get their hero Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street.
Now with things like this year’s Glastonbury, it’s becoming ever more blatant.
“If the BBC give it one more push, we will end up with a Marxist in No 10.”
Marxist? hardly and certainly preferable to the present bunch who are hard to distinguish from Fascists
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'They don't even bother to hide it' BBC savaged over 'BIASED' Corbyn Glastonbury coverage
BBC bosses were facing growing anger last night at the allegedly biased coverage of Jeremy Corbyn’s trip to the Glastonbury Festival.
Apart from Murdochs cronies, exactly who is savaging the BBC over presenting news that doesn't fit in with their agenda?
Tory MP Andrew Bridgen added: “The BBC will do everything they can to get their hero Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street.
Now with things like this year’s Glastonbury, it’s becoming ever more blatant.
“If the BBC give it one more push, we will end up with a Marxist in No 10.”
Marxist? hardly and certainly preferable to the present bunch who are hard to distinguish from Fascists
The should-er squad are always quick to appear after such incidents as the Grenfell tower tragedy. Should-er done this, should-er done that etc ect.
The situation is such that we can't protect everyone against every conceivable danger all of the time. It's a case of providing protection against an event, balanced with the probability of that event occurring. For example, a meteorite hit on a tower block could be catastrophic and cause the deaths of thousands of people. We could build in anti-meteorite protection to mitigate the consequences of such an event, but we choose not to. We choose not to on the basis of cost versus the likelihood of such a thing happening.
The same principle will have been applied to the Grenfell tower block. The panels will have been deemed to provide sufficient fire protection against an external ignition source such as a bin fire or car fire. I suspect that no one would have conceived of a situation whereby the ignition source would be applied to the reverse side of the panel. A rather unusual combination of circumstances, with a very low probability of all coming together, have conspired to bring about this terrible incident. Like most disasters, it is never one factor alone which causes it. In this case, we think it was a faulty fridge, AND a path for the fire to breach the fabric of the building, AND an air gap, AND inadequate fire resistance on the reverse of the panel, AND insufficient fire early warning, AND incorrect escape procedures. I've probably missed other factors, but this is just to give you an idea.
Each AND is a probability multiplier as well. So if two events carry a 1 in 1000 probability of occurring and rely on each other to bring about a failing, the overall probability of failure will be 1 in 1 million.
Grenfell tower is an unfortunate tragedy caused by a series of events, just like an airliner crash or similar. There will be a cause or weak link in the chain of events identified and measures will be taken to reduce the probability of a second similar incident. What is not acceptable is for a clown such as John McDonald to use words like "murdered" when talking about those who died in the blaze. This idiotic and contemptible ruse is not helpful and McDonald's only interest in Grenfell tower is to whip up a phoney class war in order to serve his own pathetic purposes.