Brexit, for once some facts.
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My two highlights:
In my previously always marginal constituency where Gavin Barlow won by just 165 votes last time, we've totally changed the scene. Now Sarah Jones for Labour has won by a record 6652 votes amd the Tories have lost their housing minister (not that he ever housed anyone).
And Theresa May's decison to call an election has reduced her 17 overall majority to what is likely to be 5, once again demonstrating her unsuitability for any political office.
And my big disappointment?
So many Scots taking leave of their senses and electing 13 Tory MPs. If they'd stuck to the one they had before, Theresa May's overall majority of 17 would have been reduced to an overall minority of around 15. Scotland, you let us down.
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In my previously always marginal constituency where Gavin Barlow won by just 165 votes last time, we've totally changed the scene. Now Sarah Jones for Labour has won by a record 6652 votes amd the Tories have lost their housing minister (not that he ever housed anyone).
And Theresa May's decison to call an election has reduced her 17 overall majority to what is likely to be 5, once again demonstrating her unsuitability for any political office.
And my big disappointment?
So many Scots taking leave of their senses and electing 13 Tory MPs. If they'd stuck to the one they had before, Theresa May's overall majority of 17 would have been reduced to an overall minority of around 15. Scotland, you let us down.
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Footnote to my above post.
Having won our marginal seat by just 165 votes last time, Tory Gavin Barwell rather arrogantly wrote a book titled "How to Win a Marginal".
Now he's lost it to Labour who have a record majority of well over 6000 votes, he needs to write a sequel:
"How to Spectacularly Lose a Marginal".
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Having won our marginal seat by just 165 votes last time, Tory Gavin Barwell rather arrogantly wrote a book titled "How to Win a Marginal".
Now he's lost it to Labour who have a record majority of well over 6000 votes, he needs to write a sequel:
"How to Spectacularly Lose a Marginal".
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I can't tell you how ashamed I am that we voted Tory MPs in up here.
I also can't tell you how happy I am that Theresa May has mucked up big time in England.
Mrs May and her husband, Arthur "ere, where's me washboard" Atkinson have just left for the palace. I was hoping that the car battery would be flat and that she would have to push start it. That would be a fitting start to her day of humiliation.
Hope the DUP pull the rug from under her. She can't seriously be contemplating continuing. Can she?
Hope the DUP pull the rug from under her. She can't seriously be contemplating continuing. Can she?
Their "support" will disappear on many issues, since so much is devolved to Northern Ireland and they won't help her on those issues. They are:
Issues on which the Northern Ireland Assembly has full legislative powers:
- health and social services
- education
- employment and skills
- agriculture
- social security
- pensions and child support
- housing
- economic development
- local government
- environmental issues, including planning
- transport
- culture and sport
- the Northern Ireland Civil Service
- equal opportunities
- justice and policing
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.. The situation as it now pertains to northern Ireland is now facinating.. Here is a region which voted strongly 55% 45% to remain in EU, . If its putative first minister were to honour the wishes of the people, would be pro remain, and is actually mired in controversy relating to a scam .. "cash for ash " .. not suggesting that she was corrupt , but probably mislead and tardy.
This party the DUP is now the kingmaker in the UK... probably in a supply and support arrangement.
In the background is the SF party, who have very recently changed leadership and whose number of UKMPs could nullify the DUP should they actually decide to use their mandate.
Both the DUP and SF need to work together to hold a parliament in NI... But with very different end games in mind .
SF want a border poll, which if passed ., in which case the DUP might not be available to support conservative rule in Westminster...
Ireland and the SF do not want a border or border posts on the island. The DUP don't want any special deal for Ireland ..
So interesting times
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I love it when an arrogant tw@t comes unstuck and blows it.
I bet Anna Soufflé is crapping herself now. So funny.
It's looking like the special advisors to May are being lined up as the scapegoats. Responsibility rests at the top, she appointed them ffs.
Yes, we now know that if the Scots hadn't voted in those extra dozen Tories, Theresa May would not be forming the next government. Very sad.I can't tell you how ashamed I am that we voted Tory MPs in up here.
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The campaigns in Scotland were completely different to those in the rest of the UK.
The Scottish Tories and Labour campaigned on the single issue of preventing a 2nd independence referendum. The Unionist voters were faced with the choice of a Tory vote or a vote for Scottish Labour whose leader is not a Jeremy Corbyn supporter.
It's easy to say that Scotland let you down but you fail to understand the importance of the constitutional issue here, which has dominated this election campaign.
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I suspect the tall English idiot woman wishes she'd had a similar shafting so that she too could have more seats than the rest of the parties put together.
Who is Scott by the way?
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I didn't fail to understand at all, I was well aware of the major 2nd independence referendum issue, but still think a little more wisdom would have helped. Despite any distaste, Labour should have been the alternative choice, still strongly unionist while able to deliver a Brexit that better suited Scotland than the Theresa May hard brexit leaning.
They've put May into government, which since Scotland is a Remain area is a self-inflicted injury.
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As an act of humanity and decency, the EU parliment should \could
1. Publish it's negotiating principles on the website
2 make a single party application to the ECJ to nullify the letter of intent by the previous UK prime minister. The incoming UK government, can then either object to this , and demand that the original timetable be adhered to , acquiesce and in due course send another letter , or debate the matter further in your parliment and if common sense prevails repeal the act of folly.
Everybody knows that the UK is currently incapable of commencing negotiations.
Agree.
All that Theresa May has achieved so far:
1) Wasted negotiating time.
2) Weakened the UK's position.
3) Made a fool of herself and lost credibility on the world stage.
4) Complicated future negotiation.
5) Made ridiculous veiled threats to the EU regarding the withdrawal of cooperation over counter terrorism. This must create a hostile atmosphere.
She has done all of these things, not only prior to sitting down at the negotiating table, but before she has set foot inside the building. The public have rejected her, her own cabinet are not speaking up for her, she is a total failure and she will fail on behalf of the whole country if she is allowed further scope for meddling in BREXIT.
The Queen should have asked one of her motor mechanics to do a "Diana" on May's car whilst she kept her talking upstairs at the palace. It would have been a kindness.
Someone high up in the Tory Party had better be the world's greatest salesperson
Open Border, Free movement of people? we might as well join the EU!
Oh
We did
looks like the price of DUP support won't suit the Brexit voters!
And after all the rhetoric about Corbyn allegedly befrending terrorist a reader comment on the remarkable qualities of the DUP
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man the barricades (reader in independent)
Here we have a party that has said abortion should be “ruled out for rape victims”; that "The Pope is the Anti-Christ": that Gay couples “more likely to abuse children”: that “Homosexuality is an abomination”: No gay marriage: that “Gays more vile than child abusers”: that Attempts to reduce CO2 emissions are “Green propaganda”: that claims that fossil fuels will run out are “nonsense”: that “Man-made climate change is a con”: that Creationism should be “taught in every school”: that the "Removal of evolutionary teaching from the curriculum": that the 60 million-year-old Giant’s Causeway is only 6,000 years old and that Line dancing is “sinful”. The DUP is also funded by a dodgy businessman with links to Saudi intelligence.
In addition the DUP are endorsed by the UVF, the UDA and the Red Commandos - so when will Dacre and Murdoch put up front page montages of Theresa May with hooded UD terrorists. Unlikely as they will not even print any of these points in their comments."
Strange company to keep just to stay in power, how will the Tory Press whitewash and sanitize the DUP?
Open Border, Free movement of people? we might as well join the EU!
Oh
We did
looks like the price of DUP support won't suit the Brexit voters!
And after all the rhetoric about Corbyn allegedly befrending terrorist a reader comment on the remarkable qualities of the DUP
"
man the barricades (reader in independent)
Here we have a party that has said abortion should be “ruled out for rape victims”; that "The Pope is the Anti-Christ": that Gay couples “more likely to abuse children”: that “Homosexuality is an abomination”: No gay marriage: that “Gays more vile than child abusers”: that Attempts to reduce CO2 emissions are “Green propaganda”: that claims that fossil fuels will run out are “nonsense”: that “Man-made climate change is a con”: that Creationism should be “taught in every school”: that the "Removal of evolutionary teaching from the curriculum": that the 60 million-year-old Giant’s Causeway is only 6,000 years old and that Line dancing is “sinful”. The DUP is also funded by a dodgy businessman with links to Saudi intelligence.
In addition the DUP are endorsed by the UVF, the UDA and the Red Commandos - so when will Dacre and Murdoch put up front page montages of Theresa May with hooded UD terrorists. Unlikely as they will not even print any of these points in their comments."
Strange company to keep just to stay in power, how will the Tory Press whitewash and sanitize the DUP?
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/09/from-climate-denial-to-abortion-heres-six-dup-policies-you-should-know-about
Oh dear! With friends like those does the wicked witch need enemies?...
Oh dear! With friends like those does the wicked witch need enemies?...
Scott is a guy I used to work beside. He's a nice guy. He's also a Scot.
I think he voted SNP.
Scott is also a director of 50 Cycles. He's not a Scot, but he is a nice guy too.Scott is a guy I used to work beside. He's a nice guy. He's also a Scot.
I think he voted SNP.