Brexit, for once some facts.
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If the poll you published becomes the result, Theresa May won't be getting her own way very much. Labour with liberals will exceed her own party, and with the SNP joining in on Brexit issues, the Tories will be well beaten.
I can conceive of Labour joining with the Lib-Dems and the SNP to force a referendum on the Brexit agreement, since that is Lib-Dem policy. What's more, that referendum promise includes the option Stay in the EU.
We aren't out yet and may never be.
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She needs an overall seat majority of at least the surviving Tory rebels +1 to be able to negotiate a Brexit deal that would satisfy her Tory financial backers, not necessarily the hard Brexit she has been talking about before the election, otherwise it will have to be a hard Brexit.
I really don't think that if she had a majority of 300 seats it would affect in any way the deal the Eu are prepared to give us, as I don't think from their point of view it matters at all.
Can someone kindly explain looking at it from their perspective it should?
In fact they have clearly said as much.
This GE is simply a diversion, waste of money and time and it would have been better for May and co to try to come up with a plan.
". Out, out, brief candle! Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
Bill Spokeshave (or something like that)
Can someone kindly explain looking at it from their perspective it should?
In fact they have clearly said as much.
This GE is simply a diversion, waste of money and time and it would have been better for May and co to try to come up with a plan.
". Out, out, brief candle! Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
Bill Spokeshave (or something like that)
She will accept what they offer and proclaim it has been dragged out of them after a titanic struggle, and they are the losers by it.
The usual media will sell that to the public.
I would not be at all surprised is the EU haven't sent her a sealed letter marked
"Not to be opened till Christmas" (or Authorised) outlining the deal she has to sell to the Westminster Clowns and the country.
My guess would be that for pretty much the same payments as now and accepting free movement we can have many of the perks on the proviso we don't have any more MEP's in Brussels to interfere with the grown ups.
And follow the rules and regulations.
Make a note of that.......
"Not to be opened till Christmas" (or Authorised) outlining the deal she has to sell to the Westminster Clowns and the country.
My guess would be that for pretty much the same payments as now and accepting free movement we can have many of the perks on the proviso we don't have any more MEP's in Brussels to interfere with the grown ups.
And follow the rules and regulations.
Make a note of that.......
Reading through many of the reader comments on the Leave EU Facebook page it is clear that many of them actually believe that a big majority will impress the EU into giving in to May's demanding negotiating style.
Fat chance.
It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that "Strong and Stable" is actually making a play to get her party under control, because she is actually "Week and Wobbly"
Her Paymasters must be worried today.................
The other striking thing is how many of them are critical of Nationalising the Railways, presumably they are unaware that our so called privately owned Railways are actually largely owned by the State owned Railways of France and Germany?
Funny they have enough money to afford to do that, don't you think?
Fat chance.
It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that "Strong and Stable" is actually making a play to get her party under control, because she is actually "Week and Wobbly"
Her Paymasters must be worried today.................
The other striking thing is how many of them are critical of Nationalising the Railways, presumably they are unaware that our so called privately owned Railways are actually largely owned by the State owned Railways of France and Germany?
Funny they have enough money to afford to do that, don't you think?
But not necessarily, there might not be any Brexit.
As I remarked earlier, if today's result produces a total of Labour, Lib-Dems and SNP that is greater than the Conservative total, which is very possible, they can force a referendum on the Brexit deal TM reaches. Many of them strongly desire that and so do a large number of Conservative MPs.
Since the Lib-Dem manifesto on this includes the referendum option "Stay in the EU", it isn't at all certain yet that we will be leaving the EU.
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... As before I will not be commenting on your election. But the type of chancer you are describing is not unique to any country , social class or political party. We have them, you have them , I am pretty sure they were alive and well in the Soviet union
Especially with France being on the brink of total financial colapse! For at least the last 30 years
You mark my words! They aren't going to survive another month! 
there was enough ppl at the village hall to start a rave could not even park the car near the car park so just walked over the field all well under 30s and voting labour all of them and shouting it all the old farts not lookin happy at all haha pmsl. when i got in they was all just voting right in front of the table so every one could see and putting it in the box one after the other not even using the closed boxes
then why do I have the impression that France is taken over by Macronmania and the President will save the world from Mr Trump?Especially with France being on the brink of total financial colapse! For at least the last 30 years
Exit polls indicating that the Tory party won't achieve a majority. I really hope this all blows up in Theresa May's stupid face and that she is forced out of office in the most humiliating way possible.
That would really be a humiliation. Her MPs won't forgive her if she swaps a small overall majority for a hung parliament.
Here's hoping.
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She made the decision to go to the country and it was made for all the wrong reasons. The exit polls could prove to be entirely wrong......or they may be spot-on - we shall see.
Certainly, May deserves to be humiliated, especially for her sheer arrogance through the electioneering campaign by refusing to engage in any kind of meaningful debate with other party leaders.
I shan't stay up late to follow matters through the night but I have a slight suspicion that the reality by lunchtime tomorrow might be worse for the tories than the exit polls suggest. Although I'm not hugely confident, I look forward to seeing May present her resignation speech some time soon.
If I were an optimist rather than a realist, I'd love to hear Corbyn's speech if he should win the day and lead the country even if only by way of a coalition. On the negative side, should May turn out to be victorious, then the tories will have carte blanche to finish their project of destroying all the great socialist achievements of a welfare state, an NHS and a large, though already severely diminished, public sector including the Civil Service.
Having only recently returned from Spain, I'm shocked by the way prices have risen in supermarkets and if we proceed with this 'Brexit' nonsense, there will be an awful lot of families unable to get by - the 'JAMS', as they have been termed, will be declaring bankruptcy if things get much worse.
This whole venture smacks of the kind of stupidity universally attributed to the British officer class, right back to the Crimean war when the Russians recognised that the dog soldiers of the British army were tough, stubborn fighters with lots of heart but led by clowns - hence the phrase, 'Lions led by donkeys'. The phrase hung around afterwards and was used again in WW1 and nothing has changed since in regard to the upper class twits who believe they have a god-given right to lead, to manage or to govern.
People before profit every time for me!
Tom
the sun will explode and we need to build star ships asap
Except that after 100 results the exit poll is shown as almost exactly right on all the main parties! The pollsters will be very happy.
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