Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Amazing how I,m holier than thow for criticizing a post you made saying " Keep Frightened and Carry On?"
Like I said perhaps you should qualify post explaining exactly who it is aimed at...and as normal your bigot friend came to support you.
Stop digging the waters coming in


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oldgroaner

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You have tried OG; you have tried very hard indeed but sometimes one comes up against a lost cause. Internet trolls are soul-less creatures with little empathy for other species such as we humans. They have no sense and where there is no sense, there is no feeling.

Tom
It's the way he fails to comprehend whenever faced with something that requires historical context, and leaps to sanctimonious conclusions that jarr.
I was in error in assuming everyone understood that the slogan was a propaganda publication manipulated by the Murdoch press for their own purposes.


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oldgroaner

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It's clearly Desperation time for the Murdoch Press
In the Telegraph
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Exclusive How Special Branch investigated Jeremy Corbyn for 20 years amid fears he was 'undermining democracy'

And the result Absolutely NOTHING
And the Express
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Labour set for 'nuclear winter' as party to lose seats EVERYWHERE but London, report says


JEREMY Corbyn will have “little to cheer about” as his party is set to lose seats everywhere across Britain apart from London,...




VOTE MAY OR WE FACE DISASTER: The Daily Express urges you to back the Conservatives

They appear to have confused the word OR for AND there!
The Daily Mail
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The Mail accuses this troika - Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott - of befriending Britain's enemies and scorning the institutions that keep us safe"

So they have been selling arms to Saudi Arabia have they?
And the chief fool want to turn us into a Police State
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PM vows to rip up human rights laws in war on terror: May pledges to extend sentences, bring in 28-day detention powers, kick foreign suspects out and crack down on extremists even if they can't be brought before the courts


Never mind we will hopefully get one day of peace tomorrow!
I expect the Torys to win, but they have taken such a battering over this election campaign, they must wonder why they bothered to call it.
It has simply made matters worse for them, exposed what a weak bunch with a dead in the water leader in charge, when they fail with Brexit they are finished!
 
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oldgroaner

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From the Independent
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Tory 'strong and stable' advertising van overturns in the wind
Van was delivering message about Brexit while driving along M6

Was this the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate striking?
OR................
Fess up now oldtom, have you been sticking pins in that voodoo doll again, you naughty boy?:confused:
 
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oldtom

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Fess up now oldtom, have you been sticking pins in that voodoo doll again, you naughty boy?:confused:
I feel that I need to use every weapon at my disposal to counter the lies, smears, sleaze and downright corruption employed by the dark side.

All honest men and women need to stand up and vote against the tory party everywhere so that the billionaire media moguls understand that no matter how much of their money they spend buying their parliamentary puppets, they cannot buy the British people.

The abuse of the right to an independent free press borders on criminal. This is just one of thousands of examples:

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Jon Snow asks this question:

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The same media which presented the nation with those evil-intended smears against the Labour Party and its leadership didn't cover this item from 'The Canary':

boris-johnson-left-floundering-journalist-finally-asks-question-sink-tories-video

I sincerely hope that the relentless brainwashing policy of the tory Party and their media wing has left sufficient numbers of citizens able to see through their lies and understand that tories do not represent and never have represented the interests of ordinary working people.

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"I was in error in assuming everyone understood that the slogan was a propaganda publication manipulated by the Murdoch press for their own purposes."

A campaign you insist has been successful, ipso facto then you assume the message on the mug is applicable to the general public?
An opinion you have yet to deny.
Yes, we all know where message came from but your original.post had nothing to suggest the opinion it expressed was not aimed at everyone.
 
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oldgroaner

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A campaign you insist has been successful, ipso facto then you assume the message on the mug is applicable to the general public?
An opinion you have yet to deny.
What the heck are you on about now? you could get a JOB with the Daily Express constructing such a pack of lies because you want to believe them.
I Expressed no such opinion! the implication should have been obvious even to you, and really I can't be bothered to explain it again as even simple words seem to fail to reach you.
You posted this
"Yes, we all know where message came from but your original.post had nothing to suggest the opinion it expressed was not aimed at everyone."

I suppose out of 65million plus of us there had to be one who failed to understand
In the wise words of Groucho Marx
"Even a Ten year old could understand what I said
better send for a ten year old."

Give up, you are becoming boring now.
 
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oldgroaner

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I feel that I need to use every weapon at my disposal to counter the lies, smears, sleaze and downright corruption employed by the dark side.

All honest men and women need to stand up and vote against the tory party everywhere so that the billionaire media moguls understand that no matter how much of their money they spend buying their parliamentary puppets, they cannot buy the British people.

The abuse of the right to an independent free press borders on criminal. This is just one of thousands of examples:

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Jon Snow asks this question:

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The same media which presented the nation with those evil-intended smears against the Labour Party and its leadership didn't cover this item from 'The Canary':

boris-johnson-left-floundering-journalist-finally-asks-question-sink-tories-video

I sincerely hope that the relentless brainwashing policy of the tory Party and their media wing has left sufficient numbers of citizens able to see through their lies and understand that tories do not represent and never have represented the interests of ordinary working people.

Tom
Recently Boris was quoted as a man who can bring the house down, yet somehow avoids all the falling bricks!
He is not clown, but is an agent of chaos.
He lives by this logic as expressed by Groucho Marx
"You don't like my principles?
I have others!"
 
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flecc

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It's clearly Desperation time for the Murdoch Press
In the Telegraph
"
Exclusive How Special Branch investigated Jeremy Corbyn for 20 years amid fears he was 'undermining democracy'

And the result Absolutely NOTHING
And the Express
"



Labour set for 'nuclear winter' as party to lose seats EVERYWHERE but London, report says


JEREMY Corbyn will have “little to cheer about” as his party is set to lose seats everywhere across Britain apart from London,...




VOTE MAY OR WE FACE DISASTER: The Daily Express urges you to back the Conservatives

They appear to have confused the word OR for AND there!
The Daily Mail
"

The Mail accuses this troika - Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott - of befriending Britain's enemies and scorning the institutions that keep us safe"

So they have been selling arms to Saudi Arabia have they?
And the chief fool want to turn us into a Police State
"
PM vows to rip up human rights laws in war on terror: May pledges to extend sentences, bring in 28-day detention powers, kick foreign suspects out and crack down on extremists even if they can't be brought before the courts


Never mind we will hopefully get one day of peace tomorrow!
I expect the Torys to win, but they have taken such a battering over this election campaign, they must wonder why they bothered to call it.
It has simply made matters worse for them, exposed what a weak bunch with a dead in the water leader in charge, when they fail with Brexit they are finished!
They did the same Ken Livingstone years ago.

His crime was the same as that of Jeremy Corbyn et al, they were all socialists, nothing else.

In the eyes of the elite, that is a heinous crime.
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In the eyes of the elite, that is a heinous crime.
there are socialists among the 'elites' too, like Mr Blair and his coterie.
 

flecc

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there are socialists among the 'elites' too, like Mr Blair and his coterie.
I don't consider Blair a true socialist, he's widely seen as a pseudo-tory.

New Labour was just a tory alternative, little to choose between them. Basically just a method of getting elected that didn't scare tories too much.
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flecc

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Another indicator of economic decline due to impending Brexit.

Car sales were down a massive 20% in April, which the industry tried to shrug off as due to the minor tax changes, but now they are down again in May. This is despite the many ways on offer of buying with lower outlays.

It's clear that consumer confidence is much lower and the very high levels of personal debt are inhibiting further expenditure using debt.
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oldtom

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The idiot in Downing St who seems intent on scrapping Human Rights legislation and various European conventions which afford protection under law for ordinary citizens probably doesn't even know the history of how and why these protections came into being.

She could learn a few things just by watching this little clip:


Tom
 

oldgroaner

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I don't consider Blair a true socialist, he's widely seen as a pseudo-tory.

New Labour was just a tory alternative, little to choose between them. Basically just a method of getting elected that didn't scare tories too much.
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My take is that New Labour was actually a plot to conceal the fact that we live in a one Party State.
 

oldgroaner

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In the Telegraph they are still assuring us of a 100 seat Tory Majority despite this


I do so hope they are right, when Brexit goes down in ruin it will take them with it.
This is one time to lose a battle and win a war!
 

oldgroaner

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From the Independent
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Election 2017: Boris Johnson criticises Jeremy Corbyn for voting against anti-terror laws that he also opposed
The now-Foreign Secretary helped block Labour plans to detain terrorism suspects for 90 days as an MP for Henley

Comes under the caveat
"I you don't like my principles I have others"
 

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The idiot in Downing St who seems intent on scrapping Human Rights legislation and various European conventions which afford protection under law for ordinary citizens probably doesn't even know the history of how and why these protections came into being.

She could learn a few things just by watching this little clip:


Tom
We at least now have proof that she isn't human.

Better protection against idiots running around killing people could be done now with existing legislation and tools but it would also require more staff and funding. Unfortunately the staff required would also need a minimum level of intelligence/education so might be rather expensive... So sorry, she'll just do the cheaper thing and set up a brain dead police state.
 
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