Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

Ah, Mr Pomposity strikes again in post #13700!

You and the other fools, happy to gamble with other people's lives, incomes, human rights and all the other demerits of secession from the EU, really don't like to be called fools, do you?

You are in denial, desperately hoping that your fantasy of some kind of white, anglo-saxon shangri-la will emerge some time soon to vindicate your utter foolhardiness in this ridiculous venture into the unknown.

Let's see how long it takes, free of all the alleged encumbrances of EU membership, before austerity for the masses is officially described as over. I wonder if that will be after a couple of months, a year, at the point of completed divorce in 2019 or perhaps some time after that.

I have witnessed some really stupid political decisions in my time but 'Brexit' tops all of those. The saddest part of it is that it is being done for the worst of all reasons, by the worst of all people knowing that the negative effects will impact most heavily on the poorest of people.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

This caption is for the benefit of the semi-literate fools in this thread
celebrating the idiocy of leaving the EU being triggered today:



Tom

 

[Woosh]

I have witnessed some really stupid political decisions in my time but 'Brexit' tops all of those

I would say that brexit is one of the most important decisions that this country has taken in my lifetime. When we went in, we were in a much worse situation than now but the time is right to leave a grouping that has enlarged and changed so much.
Brexit may have been brought about by a lot of semi-literate people like oldtom suggested but certainly is a sensible decision and not a gamble.
For die hard remainers, take a look at ASEAN of which Singapore is a member.
See what it has achieved and without the straitjacket that the EU has given us.

The ASEAN way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations

A working process or style that is informal and personal. Policymakers constantly utilize compromise, consensus, and consultation in the informal decision-making process... it above all prioritizes a consensus-based, non-conflictual way of addressing problems. Quiet diplomacy allows ASEAN leaders to communicate without bringing the discussions into the public view. Members avoid embarrassment that may lead to further conflict.

I can contrast the ASEAN style to the EU style all day if you wish to discuss this.

 

[tillson]

Ah, Mr Pomposity strikes again in post #13700!

You and the other fools, happy to gamble with other people's lives, incomes, human rights and all the other demerits of secession from the EU, really don't like to be called fools, do you?

You are in denial, desperately hoping that your fantasy of some kind of white, anglo-saxon shangri-la will emerge some time soon to vindicate your utter foolhardiness in this ridiculous venture into the unknown.

Let's see how long it takes, free of all the alleged encumbrances of EU membership, before austerity for the masses is officially described as over. I wonder if that will be after a couple of months, a year, at the point of completed divorce in 2019 or perhaps some time after that.

I have witnessed some really stupid political decisions in my time but 'Brexit' tops all of those. The saddest part of it is that it is being done for the worst of all reasons, by the worst of all people knowing that the negative effects will impact most heavily on the poorest of people.

Tom

I had to look who had written post #13700 in order to reveal who Mr Pomposity is. To my dismay, I have discovered that it's me.

I love the white Anglo-Saxon shangri-la reference. This stuff is tremendous, really idiosyncratic & zany off-beat material. Money can't buy what we are witnessing here.

Have you been hired by the site admins to perform as a cyber-clown to celebrate BREXIT day?

 

[Wicky]

https://twitter.com/JOE_co_uk?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://www.joe.co.uk/comment/article-50-brexit-theresa-may-119298

 

[Danidl]

I would say that brexit is one of the most important decisions that this country has taken in my lifetime. When we went in, we were in a much worse situation than now but the time is right to leave a grouping that has enlarged and changed so much.
Brexit may have been brought about by a lot of semi-literate people like oldtom suggested but certainly is a sensible decision and not a gamble.
For die hard remainers, take a look at ASEAN of which Singapore is a member.
See what it has achieved and without the straitjacket that the EU has given us.

The ASEAN way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations


I can contrast the ASEAN style to the EU style all day if you wish to discuss this.

.. are you actually serious about south East Asia. The overall populations of Europe and this organisation is roughly equivalent, but their relative wealth is not a gdp of 40k versus 4k is a significant difference. You may complain about the performance of the NHS, but compared to the chaos i witnessed outside the 2 maternity hospitals I saw in Siagon, it is heaven
Arbitrary arrest, capital punishment, collective rights but not individual rights.. squalor... Need I go on.

 

[Woosh]

I cited ASEAN as an example of a beneficial economic grouping without political union aim, something that EU countries will have to think about for their future. The purchasing power is a more appropriate measure of income per capita. For ASEAN countries, it's equivalent to $12k and it's growing much faster than in the EU. In 25 year time, it would have caught up with the EU if not much behind.
If brexit turns out to be the right choice for the UK (a good FTA with the EU, even at the cost of paying into EU coffers like Norway and Switzerland do) - I think it will be in Ireland's interest to leave the EU and join with us.

 

[Woosh]

but compared to the chaos i witnessed outside the 2 maternity hospitals I saw in Siagon, it is heaven

I know those hospitals well.
The chaos has more to do with 8 million motorbikes in use in the city.
Inside, it's organised chaos and it does work. Vietnam has some of the best education and healthcare systems among ASEAN countries but you can always use private hospitals there or hop over to Singapore.

 

[oldgroaner]

Still think Robdon is OG...
I,ll bet they cant do simultaneously timed posts...
OG,I,ll give you credit of being a reasonable human being but then question how on earth can anyone from that group possibly support the views of Old Tom ? You supporting him gives a bad impression of yourself and gives him motivation to continue insulting.

Do you imagine for a moment that I actually care what impression you have of me?
I shall treat that as a jest. Tom may be extreme in his presentation and level of anger, but there are more points that are true in the things he says than the pie in the sky that you are supporting.

Are you really suggesting that the average Brexit voter will be better off at the end of a couple of years with this Government in power after the way it has failed in everything it has done so far?
And then of course that any "credible" opposition exists that can be elected and put matters right?
They will really have their job cut out, won't they?
WE are simply making a big mistake in trusting these home grown fools.

 

[oldgroaner]

Lets have a reality check
Europe is no longer an area where we can influence events.
By the nature of things it is now an area under German influence with France and italy tagging along, and when they form a European Army it cannot be assumed to be friendly.
We have gone from having the power to control events to being subject to them.
This means that we are no longer a major player politically.
The Government has stated it will repeal many EU laws where they impinge on profits
Which means a decline in the high standards we have become accustomed to with regrards to Medicinal Drugs, Agricultural Chemicals and Environmental Controls.
Despite saying Rights will be respected
They publish their intention to repeal employment law intended to protect the worker's hours so profit can be maximised.
The state immingration will be reduced Drastically
Then Davis reveals it won't if they don't want it to
We are going to Forge Great Trade Deals
But apparently apparently can't get enough staff
We are going to repeal the EU fishing laws
But the North Sea is fished out, which is why we asked the EU to introduce these laws to protect the stocks remember?
The Fishing fleet we had has been scrapped and we no longer have the capacity to make more as our steel industry is defunct.

I could go on listing things like this all day, but Brexit fans don't want to hear any of this do they?
Time will simply prove that this idea of leaving the EU is an error of the gravest kind.
It is nothing more that an Gambler trying to place all his bets on the last throw of a dice, and one that is loaded against him at that.
I am laughing at your Brexit, go ahead, prove that Pigs can Fly!

 

[Zlatan]

Who's robdon? I've not seen anything from him on here other than a link which flecc posted to another topic and an amusing contribution from him. There weren't any insults in the post from robdon, so that rules out oldtom, so it could be.........

Robdon rarely posts but hits OG's like button within nano seconds of them being posted. Its OG's virtual friend or alter ego...

 

[oldgroaner]

Today we begin as a nation to beg to retain what we already had, what a pathetic state of affairs

 

[Zlatan]

Lets have a reality check
Europe is no longer an area where we can influence events.
By the nature of things it is now an area under German influence with France and italy tagging along, and when they form a European Army it cannot be assumed to be friendly.
We have gone from having the power to control events to being subject to them.
This means that we are no longer a major player politically.
The Government has stated it will repeal many EU laws where they impinge on profits
Which means a decline in the high standards we have become accustomed to with regrards to Medicinal Drugs, Agricultural Chemicals and Environmental Controls.
Despite saying Rights will be respected
They publish their intention to repeal employment law intended to protect the worker's hours so profit can be maximised.
The state immingration will be reduced Drastically
Then Davis reveals it won't if they don't want it to
We are going to Forge Great Trade Deals
But apparently apparently can't get enough staff
We are going to repeal the EU fishing laws
But the North Sea is fished out, which is why we asked the EU to introduce these laws to protect the stocks remember?
The Fishing fleet we had has been scrapped and we no longer have the capacity to make more as our steel industry is defunct.

I could go on listing things like this all day, but Brexit fans don't want to hear any of this do they?
Time will simply prove that this idea of leaving the EU is an error of the gravest kind.
It is nothing more that an Gambler trying to place all his bets on the last throw of a dice, and one that is loaded against him at that.
I am laughing at your Brexit, go ahead, prove that Pigs can Fly!

How many more times are you going to tell us all this OG. Aren't you just a bit bored with repeating yourself time and time and time again. Look back to first 100 posts. You said exactly this months ago...and like I said before, after all this doom does not come to fruition will you come on here and say you were wrong...no chance.

 

[oldgroaner]

Robdon rarely posts but hits OG's like button within nano seconds of them being posted. Its OG's virtual friend or alter ego...

So what?

 

[oldgroaner]

How many more times are you going to tell us all this OG. Aren't you just a bit bored with repeating yourself time and time and time again. Look back to first 100 posts. You said exactly this months ago...and like I said before, after all this doom does not come to fruition will you come on here and say you were wrong...no chance.

There is nothing there that hasn't happened already or the Government has stated it intends to do is there?
Do you have a problem with accepting that? it HAS come to fruition, so how can I have been wrong?

 

[Woosh]

Lets have a reality check
Europe is no longer an area where we can influence events.

"We must not forget that the UK is still a partner, in Nato and in Europe," Angela Merkel

The Government has stated it will repeal many EU laws where they impinge on profits

where did you hear this?

Despite saying Rights will be respected
They publish their intention to repeal employment law intended to protect the worker's hours so profit can be maximised.

Where did you hear this?

 

[oldgroaner]

"We must not forget that the UK is still a partner, in Nato and in Europe," Angela Merkel



where did you hear this?



Where did you hear this?

Don't you read the newspapers? Try the mail and and express

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[Zlatan]

So what?

So Robdon is you then OG..???

 

[Woosh]

Try the mail and and express

You may have noticed I never quote these newspapers, nor the Telegraph and the Sun. I don't consider them as reliable.

 

[tillson]

Today we begin as a nation to beg to retain what we already had, what a pathetic state of affairs

Lighten up. Today marks the start of a magnificent chapter in U.K. History.

The cyber-clown (oldtom) will be entering the Big Top again soon for act two. At least you have that to look forward to.