Which tells you absolutely nothing about the mood and situation that the people find themselves in, as it is carefully crafted to give a slanted picture that all is well.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The biggest problem for brexit is direct inward investment that has been hit because of uncertainty. That uncertainty will be gradually lifted as the negotiation with the EU progresses.
that indudtry generates about £75bn a year surplus in this particular trade. Just think about the taxes on top of it. Don't knock it.
Sorry but that is nonsense, there will be even less chance of anyone investing here for years until Brexit is long forgotten, too easy to make money in the far east, no risk and guranteed profit.
As I said that is peanuts compared to the sums we need, it merely keeps us tottering along yet going downhill.
David Davis was asked on Question Time had he calculated the economy effects on a no-deal. He is a politician who has a knack of fiddling with his glasses every time an awkward question is aimed at him,he managed to talk in the commons recently for 40 mins and say nothing.
He has absolutely no idea of the effect of no-deal.
He has an attitude that we are going to get a good deal so a no-deal won't happen....it reminds me of an engineer telling the White Star Line that there were not enough lifeboats on the Titanic,don't worry the boat is unsinkable.
KudosDave
He has absolutely no idea of the effect of no-deal.
He has an attitude that we are going to get a good deal so a no-deal won't happen....it reminds me of an engineer telling the White Star Line that there were not enough lifeboats on the Titanic,don't worry the boat is unsinkable.
KudosDave
Dave...how's this...
The only real effect so far is the 20% devaluation of the pound against the dollar and euro.That has made us exporters very busy,our goods look cheap to a European,but as current stocks bought at 1.45 dollar run out then prices have to rise for dollar imported product. In the UK customers seem to have accepted price rises,if you voted for Brexit you should have expected these rises.
The other effect is that EU workers in the UK are becoming very nervous whether they have a future here,this will destroy social care and the NHS unless confidence is given to those people.
I fear a social strife in this country when the Leave voters wake up to the fact that Theresa May and the other right wingers have done nothing to improve their lot...if you look at Hammond reducing benefits,reducing NHS it appears that May has already started to look after her pet projects and the country can go to pot provided that the right wingers 'get back their power'...May the Dictator is doing a good job of using 80 right wingers to steer this country to her ultimate end.
It's looking good for wealthy people and big business but those who voted Leave in poor areas as a protest vote expecting May to deliver on the party for everyone are going to be very disapointed.
KudosDave
At some point in the not too distant future, a lot of people are going to realise that this is the problem:
Tom
Tom
The socialist blogger, AAV, makes this point:
He's right, of course. Witness the fools who despoil these pages with their totally unsupported fantasies of some kind of re-born UK as a thriving, economic powerhouse, able to compete with massive trading blocs in Europe, Asia and the USA.
The only thing 'Brexit' will demonstrate is that the UK has won a single competitor race to the bottom. It may also be the end of the the UK if the Westminster elite continues to treat NI and Scotland with such absolute disdain.
Tom
He's right, of course. Witness the fools who despoil these pages with their totally unsupported fantasies of some kind of re-born UK as a thriving, economic powerhouse, able to compete with massive trading blocs in Europe, Asia and the USA.
The only thing 'Brexit' will demonstrate is that the UK has won a single competitor race to the bottom. It may also be the end of the the UK if the Westminster elite continues to treat NI and Scotland with such absolute disdain.
Tom
And who shall we appoint as arbiter in chief to decide who shall and who shall not be allowed to post? Let me guess....... the Cyber-Clown?
If you had any clout, you'd be terrifying. Thank goodness decent society suppresses your sort.
One of the problems that our manufacturers are going to face when we go out to the world is lack of certain core industries.
We have pretty much lost all our drop forging industry,both steel and ally,this has been lost to China and India,you cannot make front suspension
Assemblies without spindles.
We no longer have an aluminium refining process,I think the last one was in Scotland.
We almost lost our steel industry,Tata saved Port Talbot when steel price doubled.
This means we have to import the raw materials to make something,this leaves us very vulnerable.
KudosDave
We have pretty much lost all our drop forging industry,both steel and ally,this has been lost to China and India,you cannot make front suspension
Assemblies without spindles.
We no longer have an aluminium refining process,I think the last one was in Scotland.
We almost lost our steel industry,Tata saved Port Talbot when steel price doubled.
This means we have to import the raw materials to make something,this leaves us very vulnerable.
KudosDave
you could attribute some of the blame to the neo-liberal economic doctrine at the heart of the Single Market.
Basically, the EU directives prevent government intervention to prop up ailing industries causing them to relocate elsewhere.The posted workers directive for example enables companies to hire migrant workers at cheaper rate etc.
Don't be fooled by the EU propaganda.
Basically, the EU directives prevent government intervention to prop up ailing industries causing them to relocate elsewhere.The posted workers directive for example enables companies to hire migrant workers at cheaper rate etc.
Don't be fooled by the EU propaganda.
Just be mugged by tory propaganda instead?
You have a big shock coming when you grow up and the penny finally drops one day.
Tom
Oh go on 'tillson', I'd love to hear your views as a complete outsider, on the human race generally but more specifically, your definition of decent society would probably be entertaining.
Did you read about it somewhere?
Tom
That's an easy one. Decent society is the antithesis of everything that you represent and everything that makes you the person that you are. I hope that you are entertained.
Now will you please entertain the rest of the forum members with more of your cyber clown foolery?
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How may EU directives were imposed on our Government and not agreed to or even proposed by them?you can kick out the tories in 2020.
You can't vote out any of the EU directives.
You have no idea, do you, so here is something from someone who actually does know
http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/uk-laws-from-eu/
Only 13.2% originate in the EU and almost all are ones we agreed with .
As to vote for a better government, who are you going to vote for here that is essentially different?
If all parties play the same game how is that Democracy?
This has been a one party state for years
And Public opinion is only presented with a one sided view by the media?
Get Real
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that is precisely a corollary of EU membership.
The EU legislative weakens/removes the link between mainstream politics and the electorate. Over time, the differences between manifestos diminish to the point that all parties promise the same things.
There are of course advantages to EU membership but as you look back at how the EU decided on its EU constitution, the EU asked members who needed a referendum to keep voting until they get the right result.No wonder all politicians become just shadows.
It is time for us to leave and build a better Europe.
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Exactly the same everywhere, so what exactly is your point? and good morning by the way!
What are we to make of this?
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Theresa May admits freedom of movement could continue after Brexit
UK could also continue to fall under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice after March 2019, PM says
No doubt this is intended as a temporary expedient......maybe.. perhaps controlling immigration is too hard to manage, they haven't been able to control the people they have the power over in the past, have they?
Brexit promise? yes sure, whatever.
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Theresa May admits freedom of movement could continue after Brexit
UK could also continue to fall under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice after March 2019, PM says
No doubt this is intended as a temporary expedient......maybe.. perhaps controlling immigration is too hard to manage, they haven't been able to control the people they have the power over in the past, have they?
Brexit promise? yes sure, whatever.