Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Are chips halal?

Given the record of their namesakes overseas, french fries wouldn't be.
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If you'd ever been in a KFC[1], you'd know the answer.

[1] Kuwait Fried Chicken.

Also, I found it bizarre that chicken shawarma, with the chicken cooked on an amazing vertical charcoal grill, always had one single chip in the middle.
 
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What a great time the Army are having
New AFV, cant exceed 20 mph, fire on the move of open fire unless parked!
And the icing on the cake can't reverse over an obstacle 20cm high!
And the fishing industry have a new annual quota agreement with the EU

Overfishing is back in fashion, now we only need customers
Never have understood the ridiculous setting of high quotas.

It seems obvious that it is better to set a quota that is too low than one that is too high. A too-low quota affects the industry. A too-high quota affects the fish stocks then the industry.
 
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Never have understood the ridiculous setting of high quotas.

It seems obvious that it is better to set a quota that is too low than one that is too high. A too-low quota affects the industry. A too-high quota affects the fish stocks then the industry.
Actually even that is incorrect.. if the quota is very low, the product acquires a rarity value and the industry benefits. Diamonds being the object lesson ....
 
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Actually even that is incorrect.. if the quota is very low, the product acquires a rarity value and the industry benefits. Diamonds being the object lesson ....
Maybe - but I was trying not to go further than the blinking obvious.
 

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Positive Covid-19 tests up 22%. Much speculation than schools are now a major factor in transmission. Portugal no longer green.
 

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What a great time the Army are having
New AFV, cant exceed 20 mph, fire on the move or open fire unless parked!
And the icing on the cake can't reverse over an obstacle 20cm high!
And the fishing industry have a new annual quota agreement with the EU

Overfishing is back in fashion, now we only need customers
On a positive note, doesnt gavin Williamson ******* up education for the hundredth time just fill one with joy? Even by Tory standards, the man's a colossus (of a failure). Screw grayling, Gove, anything cummings have to say about boris or even Hancock's insincere half apologies about refusing to give the world any aid. if Williamson's performance doesnt penetrate the muggy consciousness of the average voter, nothing will
 
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oyster

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On a positive note, doesnt gavin Williamson ******* up education for the hundredth time just fill one with joy? Even by Tory standards, the man's a colossus (of a failure). Screw grayling, Gove, anything cummings have to say about boris or even Hancock's insincere half apologies about refusing to give the world any aid. if Williamson's performance doesnt penetrate the muggy consciousness of the average voter, nothing will
I end up thinking that the average voter simply isn't really up for a bit of penetration.

Home Office found acting illegally. Again. Sue Priti, please.
 

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More bad news for our manufacturing economy, the prospects for a Tesla factory hinted at a while ago for Britain are rapidly diminishing .

First the battery factory went to Berlin, now their new car production factory at Grünheide, Germany, shown below, which will see its first cars rolling off the line this year is being expanded to produce their new battery cells as well.

 
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More bad news for our manufacturing economy, the prospects for a Tesla factory hinted at a while ago for Britain are rapidly diminishing .

First the battery factory went to Berlin, now their new car production factory at Grünheide, Germany, shown below, which will see its first cars rolling off the line this year is now being expanded to produce their new battery cells as well.

Even when he came to the UK, I suspected a small assembly outfit rather than a mega-factory.
 
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Napier barracks were terrible. So government says it is much better now.

The drunken driver says the trail of damage and destruction wasn't his fault because he is sober now.
 

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Even when he came to the UK, I suspected a small assembly outfit rather than a mega-factory.
I don't think Elon does small though. Their new battery plant in the USA is a monster and he seems to have firmly come down in favour of Germany for his European production.

I can't see how a Tesla assembly plant to supply just their UK market makes sense when there's already car carrying ships returning through the channel from mainland Europe empty after unloading the Japanese cars for that market. Some already call in at Southampton, a fully equipped and operational logistics port for all vehicles inward and outward bound. Japanese vehicles inbound, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Jaguar-Land Rover, BMW Minis and JCBs outbound.
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I don't think Elon does small though. Their new battery plant in the USA is a monster and he seems to have firmly come down in favour of Germany for his European production.

I can't see how a Tesla assembly plant to supply just their UK market makes sense when there's already car carrying ships returning through the channel from mainland Europe empty after unloading the Japanese cars for that market. Some already call in at Southampton, a fully equipped and operational logistics port for all vehicles inward and outward bound. Japanese vehicles inbound, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Jaguar-Land Rover, BMW Minis and JCBs outbound.
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You might be right. But if some tax/tariff issues affected things, it could be worth it. Also, it might be necessary to have a full repair facility. I suspect average motor workshops around the country might not have the specialist facilities for things like safe removal (and replacement?) of failed/damaged batteries. Sending damaged units to the EU for repair might hit a few H&S issues.
 

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You might be right. But if some tax/tariff issues affected things, it could be worth it. Also, it might be necessary to have a full repair facility. I suspect average motor workshops around the country might not have the specialist facilities for things like safe removal (and replacement?) of failed/damaged batteries. Sending damaged units to the EU for repair might hit a few H&S issues.
I don't see these problems, Tesla's backup is without equal in the e-car world. Despite the small number of their cars about in the UK at present, they have 18 stores and 12 service locations in the UK alongside a network of 50 Supercharger locations which is rapidly expanding. With the market success of their model 3 there will be further servicing expansion now.

There is no issue with sending car batteries to and from the EU, Nissan's Leaf battery production for all Europe is here at Sunderland and their EU wide dealers have mechanics trained in swapping batteries or individual cell banks. The latter goes for Renault too.

Seeing e-cars as new leads to all sorts of assumptions about possible problems, but they aren't new and the "problems" were solved long ago. The Nissan Leaf hit the market here 11 years ago. The Renault Zoe, Renault Fluence and Renault Twizy 10 years ago. The Tesla model S 9 years ago. So there's lots of experience about with many of the cars now on second owners.
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There will always be a place for ICE...Reckon we see lots more development in "drop in fuels"... No infrastructure changes needed, we can still listen to engines with character... Everybody happy.. Suppose it depends on price but whatever it is for F1 its insignificant..
But it uses hydrogen which is a major problem:

The International Energy Agency who work with governments and industry in the carbon neutral plans is planning this:

"In 2040, half of the fuel used in aviation is to be low-emission. In 2045, according to the step-by-step plan, 435 megatonnes of hydrogen should be available – but not for passenger cars. By 2050, CO2 emissions from the energy sector should be almost zero – and thus, the consumption of energy should be significantly cleaner."

They are firmly in favour of road vehicles being pure electric, cars, vans and a high proportion of trucks.
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But it uses hydrogen which is a major problem:

The International Energy Agency who work with governments and industry in the carbon neutral plans is planning this:

"In 2040, half of the fuel used in aviation is to be low-emission. In 2045, according to the step-by-step plan, 435 megatonnes of hydrogen should be available – but not for passenger cars. By 2050, CO2 emissions from the energy sector should be almost zero – and thus, the consumption of energy should be significantly cleaner."

They are firmly in favour of road vehicles being pure electric, cars, vans and a high proportion of trucks.
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Could be but according to both this report and from Porsche direct they are planning on 550 million litres being produced per year at their Chilean plant by 2026..(UK consumes approx 16 billion litres petrol pa)
BMW are looking into a slightly different process but producing similar amounts of carbon neutral fuel for ICE.
I doubt any companies are suggesting this as an alternative for masses for transport but as a way to keep usage feasible for anyone who wants to keep ICE and still be environmentally moral. I suspect its certainly route F1 will go... Going fully electric would diminish character, interest and revenue. Formula E isn't really attracting that much interest and TT Zero has all but gone. I don't think bikes lend themselves to electrification as well as cars. More weight in a car can be accounted for, heavier bikes are a different matter.
Supplying bikes with synthetic fuel just seems to make more logistical sense.
Performance mc can do 45 mpg?? ..High performance Cars in general probably a third of that..
 
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I doubt any companies are suggesting this as an alternative for masses for transport but as a way to keep usage feasible for anyone who wants to keep ICE and still be environmentally moral.
Agreed, but it's not environmentally moral when "grey" hydrogen is used as will be happening still even in 25 years time. Despite further planned large expansion of wind and solar, there won't be the surplus of green electricity after road transport's usage to produce green hydrogen in large quantities above aviation needs. Hence the IEA plans.

I suspect its certainly route F1 will go... Going fully electric would diminish character, interest and revenue. Formula E isn't really attracting that much interest and TT Zero has all but gone.
Definitely, Formula E has been a washout from the outset in my view

I don't think bikes lend themselves to electrification as well as cars. More weight in a car can be accounted for, heavier bikes are a different matter.
Supplying bikes with synthetic fuel just seems to make more logistical sense.
Performance mc can do 45 mpg?? ..High performance Cars in general probably a third of that..
If performance motorcycles still exist, the case for getting rid of them is only strengthened by the green aspects. There's always been a strong anti motorcycle body of opinion, especially in Europe, hardly surprising considering how anti-social they are. Phenominally high death rates, a large proportion of crashed riders ending up in a wheelchair for life, they don't fit at all well with other traffic on performance and visibility grounds, often noisy and can startle others by their performance.

I could easily see thin edge of the wedge restrictions eventually leading to transport only two wheelers.

The fun is going to come out of driving and riding, of that there is no doubt.
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