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Agreed with some supermarkets but not my more recently built ones.

And I think doubled electricity prices will focus minds much more soon.
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Both Aldi and Lidl locally have been rebuilt/refitted in the past couple of years. They have far more frozen and chilled units with doors/lids. But there is nonetheless a part of each which is darned cold. Especially when you go from a warm/hot day outside in short sleeves/shorts... But they are much, much less noisy.

Agreed that costs will have their impact.
 

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This is one of the problems with taxing the electricity for e-cars. The multi point charging stations for them being built now have vast roofing over the whole site covered with up to the minute solar panels and some might be having more on land alongside soon. In addition they have battery storage banks (Powerwalls) to absorb charge at unwanted times,

Fed as well from the mains, how does one sort what proportions are coming from each of the three into a car? Simple answer, one can't.

There may well be mileage charging as Zlatan, Danidl and I have posted above, but not huge electricity price increases due the the many impossibilities in trying to do that.

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I might be wrong on this, but I think France doesn't do car tax anymore, but just put a few cents on the fuel. ..so it is basically a milage based tax. So I see that becoming the norm. Probably a yearly car tax ..based in the weight of the vehicle or maybe the purchase price , and then a measure of the milage consumed. There is no practical way of roadtaxing electricity. .. Whatever the difficulty of colouring LPG, fades into Schrödinger insignificance, when colouring electrons.
 
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I might be wrong on this, but I think France doesn't do car tax anymore, but just put a few cents on the fuel. ..so it is basically a milage based tax. So I see that becoming the norm. Probably a yearly car tax ..based in the weight of the vehicle or maybe the purchase price , and then a measure of the milage consumed. There is no practical way of roadtaxing electricity. .. Whatever the difficulty of colouring LPG, fades into Schrödinger insignificance, when colouring electrons.
I fully agree. We already have the annual MOT inspection with mileage recorded after three years on the road so it will be simple to adapt that by having owner declared mileage at the end of each of the first two years when renewing VED (road tax). Then an additional compulsory MOT for any vehicle changing hands within the first three years would complete the record and detect any under declaring by the owner. That would have the added benefit of ensuring the vehicle being sold within three years is roadworthy for the new user.

Collection of the annual mileage charge could be combined with the VED (road tax) which could be by an annual payment or by installments, so almost all the admin structure is already in place now.
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The Telegraph has the news from Planet Brexit
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Shoppers face higher grocery bills as more EU red tape looms
Higher shipping and raw materials costs and EU red tape threaten consumers' hip pockets, says British Retail Consortium"


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The Telegraph has the news from Planet Brexit
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Shoppers face higher grocery bills as more EU red tape looms
Higher shipping and raw materials costs and EU red tape threaten consumers' hip pockets, says British Retail Consortium"


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Just what changes are due in October?
 

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I fully agree. We already have the annual MOT inspection with mileage recorded after three years on the road so it will be simple to adapt that by having owner declared mileage at the end of each of the first two years when renewing VED (road tax). Then an additional compulsory MOT for any vehicle changing hands within the first three years would complete the record and detect any under declaring by the owner. That would have the added benefit of ensuring the vehicle being sold within three years is roadworthy for the new user.

Collection of the annual mileage charge could be combined with the VED (road tax) which could be by an annual payment or by installments, so almost all the admin structure is already in place now.
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There is something I don't like about that simplistic approach.

It places no extra costs on someone who purchases and runs a mega-SUV with Formula 1 performance over a basic Zoe. (Other than the direct costs of purchase, electricity, tyres, etc.)

But I do like the idea of an MOT at every change of ownership. Regardless of when (with suitable schemes for traders passing vehicles around).
 

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There is something I don't like about that simplistic approach.

It places no extra costs on someone who purchases and runs a mega-SUV with Formula 1 performance over a basic Zoe. (Other than the direct costs of purchase, electricity, tyres, etc.)

But I do like the idea of an MOT at every change of ownership. Regardless of when (with suitable schemes for traders passing vehicles around).
I don't really see why the big flash jobs should pay more for using the roads than a smaller car. If the argument is that they do more wear and tear ..well ok , have a road tax based on vehicle weight and power. But the big car will be paying more in initial VAT anyway.
 
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I don't really see why the big flash jobs should pay more for using the roads than a smaller car. If the argument is that they do more wear and tear ..well ok , have a road tax based on vehicle weight and power. But the big car will be paying more in initial VAT anyway.
Higher purchase cost - yes, hence more VAT, yes. But there is a huge difference between the wear and tear from one which does a typical mileage and another that does 100,000 a year. That is in no way accounted for by the purchase price or VAT levied on it. So some mechanism for encouraging low impact motoring rather than high impact and adjusts accordingly would be desirable.
 

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It places no extra costs on someone who purchases and runs a mega-SUV with Formula 1 performance over a basic Zoe. (Other than the direct costs of purchase, electricity, tyres, etc.)
As Danidl says, that could be by the VED (road tax) element. We used to have that of course, based on capacity, but that was dropped not long ago in favour of a single car rate, possibly in anticipation of e-cars which don't have a motor cubic capacity.

Once again showing the authorities look for simplicity and why I think they'll tax e-cars on mileage as the admin is almost competely in place in place already.
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Can you think of any mechanism by which you could remotely cause a ship to burst into flames without obvious deployment of weapons such as guns? I came up with the possibility of several directed microwave emitters all concentrating at a single point.

Iran warship catches fire and sinks in Gulf of Oman, say local agencies
The Kharg, the largest vessel in the Iranian navy, is lost in unclear circumstances, according to reports
 

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Can you think of any mechanism by which you could remotely cause a ship to burst into flames without obvious deployment of weapons such as guns? I came up with the possibility of several directed microwave emitters all concentrating at a single point.
More likely a Mossad spy undercover with a box of matches.

It is/was a supply vessel so would have additional fuel storage tanks on board.
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Can you think of any mechanism by which you could remotely cause a ship to burst into flames without obvious deployment of weapons such as guns? I came up with the possibility of several directed microwave emitters all concentrating at a single point.

Iran warship catches fire and sinks in Gulf of Oman, say local agencies
The Kharg, the largest vessel in the Iranian navy, is lost in unclear circumstances, according to reports
The most likely cause is letting the chip pan ignite. Galley fires
 

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Only if they have been hung upside down and had blood drained from them.
In large metropolitan areas, halal has also come to casually mean Middle Eastern cuisine. In New York and other cities with food truck cultures, halal carts and trucks are seen as sources of dishes such as falafel, shawarma, and flavorful kabobs. Some of these food trucks have developed a following, which, in turn, has led some halal-style food truck owners to open restaurants serving the same Middle Eastern cuisine.

Some popular casual street food halal dishes are chicken, gyros, or falafel served either platter-style with rice or wrapped in a pita with lettuce and tomatoes and a white, tahini-based sauce or a red, harissa based sauce. Side dishes might include hummus or tahini and baklava is commonly offered as a dessert option.
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