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oldgroaner

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He, s no buffoon... Knows exactly what he, s doing... Hypothecated... That's a good word... Isn't it the old word for a chemists shop.?? My grandad used to talk about them and cures for piles,while chain smoking parky rough and drinking whiskey. He had a flat cap too. He never borrowed money though.
And there I was thinking Hypothecated was a drunken Theoretical Scientist :cool:
 

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I heard reports from several experts over the weekend that they were really worried about the way the Indian variant was spreading and what might happen if all restrictions or most restrictions come to an end on the 21st of next month.

The vaccine seems to work very well against this new variant but only after having both jabs. Due to the Governments past record of getting most things wrong (except for the vaccine roll out) when looking at their performance dealing with CV19, what do you all think they should do in 3 weeks time and what do you think they will do?

This link is typical of the types of reports I have been reading over the last couple of days.
Covid-19: UK in early stages of third wave - scientist - BBC News
 
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I heard reports from several experts over the weekend that they were really worried about the way the Indian variant was spreading and what might happen if all restrictions or most restrictions come to an end on the 21st of next month.

The vaccine seems to work very well against this new variant but only after having both jabs. Due to the Governments past record of getting most things wrong (except for the vaccine roll out) when looking at their performance dealing with CV19, what do you all think they should do in 3 weeks time and what do you think they will do?

This link is typical of the types of reports I have been reading over the last couple of days.
Covid-19: UK in early stages of third wave - scientist - BBC News
I also think there's a risk of a third wave. But I think the government is between a rock and a hard place, they just can't afford any more lockdown, the financial implications are getting too serious. So perhaps they think it's worth taking the risk of toughing it out and hoping the express vaccine delivery justifies that.
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However, LG make 400w solar panels (that are easy to install) for a few hundred quid each. By my (fairly inept, I'm not an engineer)calculation (have cheap sunny place in Italy in need of one) it's possible to build a 20 panel system (that should give about 40 kWh a day) for less than £10k. Over its 25 year life (I wont live that long but still) that would be running a tesla for peanuts
The maths are simple.. The Solar constant ..ie the energy from the Sun at local noon on a surface normal to the rays close to the equator is 1kW per sq metre. It drops away off noon ,in cloud and at different latitudes .. but not as badly with latitude as might be expected. A quality solar cell is pushing 10% . .. So 400W peak output implies 4 metre sq.. Dont believe any figures of 38% .. they are based on concentration detectors ... ie focussing mirrors.
 
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Remember my remarks re the need for both jabs, not one?
Oh Dear!
Having tried to convince everyone that not only is a twelve week gap acceptable, despite manufacturers advising shorter intervals, but that it is actually better, we now hear of attempts to shorten the gap so as to raise the numbers who have received both.

And handily ignore that the Janssen (J&J) vaccine is single dose. So any pronouncements need to take that into account.

And it is now, apparently, the Delta variant. India objected. Wait for airline to object...
 
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The maths are simple.. The Solar constant ..ie the energy from the Sun at local noon on a surface normal to the rays close to the equator is 1kW per sq metre. It drops away off noon ,in cloud and at different latitudes .. but not as badly with latitude as might be expected. A quality solar cell is pushing 10% . .. So 400W peak output implies 4 metre sq.. Dont believe any figures of 38% .. they are based on concentration detectors ... ie focussing mirrors.
standard condition solar yield is now over 20%, the return on investment is so high that if you have a fairly large installation (40KW+), you can recoup your cost in about 2 years. It's such a no brainer that I am thinking of importing solar kits.
 
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standard condition solar yield is now over 20%, the return on investment is so high that if you have a fairly large installation (40KW+), you can recoup your cost in about 2 years. It's such a no brainer that I am thinking of importing solar kits.
And it's going to get a whole lot better since we know there are already very large increases in the cost of electricity coming to cover the cost of infrastructure growth, nuclear and renewables.

The guarantee of 19p per unit at source to EDF for Hinckley Point when it comes on stream makes that clear, it means a doubling to the consumer for that substantial proportion of our energy in 2026 if it's on schedule.

That solar is the way to go is clearly indicated by the incorporation of huge solar roofs and battery banks in the currently building and planned e-vehicle charging stations, some even planning on using adjacent land to greatly expand the solar area.
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And it's going to get a whole lot better since we know there are already very large increases in the cost of electricity coming to cover the cost of infrastructure growth, nuclear and renewables.

The guarantee of 19p per unit at source to EDF for Hinckley Point when it comes on stream makes that clear, it means a doubling to the consumer for that substantial proportion of our energy in 2026 if it's on schedule.

That solar is the way to go is clearly indicated by the incorporation of huge solar roofs and battery banks in the currently building and planned e-vehicle charging stations, some even planning on using adjacent land to greatly expand the solar area.
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If only they could link up tarmac to the grid...

(Well aware that there have been many attempts at building solar collectors into roads. Few yet showing any real promise for major roads.)
 
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If only they could link up tarmac to the grid...
The world's biggest skid pan, especially when wet!

We are going to see a big expansion of solar panels on roofs as electricity gets dearer. Take all the more modern supermarkets and shopping malls. They have vast roof areas, ideal for solar to suppy their lighting, air conditioning and refrigeration needs, plus top-up charging of e-cars that they'll need to provide as a "loss-leader" to win custom.
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standard condition solar yield is now over 20%, the return on investment is so high that if you have a fairly large installation (40KW+), you can recoup your cost in about 2 years. It's such a no brainer that I am thinking of importing solar kits.
Don't believe everything you read.....
The two graphs below show the average PV system efficiency and the capital costs over time for the three different types of PV cells in the US: Crystalline Silicon, Thin Film and Concentrator. The efficiencies for all three types have been increasing and are projected to increase further into 2020. Concentrator has the greatest amount of efficiency as the average efficiency is projected to hit 25% in 2020. [2], [3]



chart_solar_pvSystem efficiency vs. time for different technologies [3]chart2_solar_pvPV System Capital Cost vs time [3]


NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY LABORATORY (NREL) RESEARCH

The figure below presents data accumulated and published at the National Center for Photovoltaics under NREL and shows the efficiency for various solar PV technologies under development and research over time. A number of interesting trends can be drawn from the figure. Firstly, although most solar PV arrays currently use vary in efficiency from around 10-20% [4], efficiency values as high as 44.4% have been obtained in experimental settings by Sharp and NREL.
 
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The world's biggest skid pan, especially when wet!

We are going to see a big expansion of solar panels on roofs as electricity gets dearer. Take all the more modern supermarkets and shopping malls. They have vast roof areas, ideal for solar to suppy their lighting, air conditioning and refrigeration needs, plus top-up charging of e-cars that they'll need to provide as a "loss-leader" to win custom.
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The value of PV arrays is where they can be incorporated into other structures. On my route in Brittany, there are of course the ordinary PV panels covering piggeries which were obviously retrofits, but there are also entirely new structures ..hangers used to store the farm machinery for the industrial farming and Co ops.. and these are big .. really big and sloped at the optimal angle. .. maybe a Km long, and 50 to 100 metres wide.
 
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Don't believe everything you read.....
the cost per Watt of solar panels in China is now under 20c - it does not take long to collect enough to pay for your initial layout.
 
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But back on topic .... From the Irish Times , accredited to the Financial Times .. What should be of concern is that during this time, the UK was still within the EU ,

"Brexit shrank UK services exports by more than £110 billion (€128 billion) over a four-year period, new research shows, highlighting the far-reaching trade implications of Britain’s decision to break away from the European Union.

Experts at Aston University in Birmingham found that UK services exports from 2016 to 2019 were cumulatively £113 billion lower than they would have been had the UK not voted to quit the EU in June 2016.

The researchers calculated the figure by projecting how industries from IT and finance to business services would have grown if they had continued on their previous paths, and compared that with how they had actually progressed since the vote for Brexit. The gap was £113 billion.

“What we find raises serious concerns about the damage to the UK’s services trade position and the likely spillovers to the economy and jobs related to the services sectors,” said Jun Du, professor of economics at Aston Business School.

The findings point to the underlying challenges UK services exporters will face in maintaining trade with the EU after the conclusion of the UK’s post-Brexit deal with Brussels.
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The agreement contains minimal provisions on financial and professional services – industries that are crucial to Britain’s economy. In 2019 the UK ran an £18 billion surplus in services trade with the EU, against a deficit of £97 billion in goods.

Data for 2020 were not included in the Aston study because the pandemic has distorted economies so greatly. Du told the Financial Times that the trend of services companies moving away from the UK could accelerate as the pandemic’s influence fades.

“The Covid period created difficulties in moving business and individuals [which] slowed down this relocation process . . . it will now pick up, and get worse as businesses see that there is not much going on in UK-EU negotiations. I think this is only the beginning,” she said.
 
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the cost per Watt of solar panels in China is now under 20c - it does not take long to collect enough to pay for your initial layout.
I wonder has the expansion in PV, caused the crisis in electronic chip manufacturing, which is affecting all consumer products including ECars.
 

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The world's biggest skid pan, especially when wet!

We are going to see a big expansion of solar panels on roofs as electricity gets dearer. Take all the more modern supermarkets and shopping malls. They have vast roof areas, ideal for solar to suppy their lighting, air conditioning and refrigeration needs, plus top-up charging of e-cars that they'll need to provide as a "loss-leader" to win custom.
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Supermarkets are crazy, though. Many, many years ago (1970s?) M&S proudly proclaimed how their shop refrigeration units would be used to heat the stores and be super-efficient. Now, if ever I visit, I get frozen in M&S because they spill so much cold air. And deafened by the incredible noise they emit.
 
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But back on topic .... From the Irish Times , accredited to the Financial Times .. What should be of concern is that during this time, the UK was still within the EU ,

"Brexit shrank UK services exports by more than £110 billion (€128 billion) over a four-year period, new research shows, highlighting the far-reaching trade implications of Britain’s decision to break away from the European Union.

Experts at Aston University in Birmingham found that UK services exports from 2016 to 2019 were cumulatively £113 billion lower than they would have been had the UK not voted to quit the EU in June 2016.

The researchers calculated the figure by projecting how industries from IT and finance to business services would have grown if they had continued on their previous paths, and compared that with how they had actually progressed since the vote for Brexit. The gap was £113 billion.

“What we find raises serious concerns about the damage to the UK’s services trade position and the likely spillovers to the economy and jobs related to the services sectors,” said Jun Du, professor of economics at Aston Business School.

The findings point to the underlying challenges UK services exporters will face in maintaining trade with the EU after the conclusion of the UK’s post-Brexit deal with Brussels.
Agreement provisions
The agreement contains minimal provisions on financial and professional services – industries that are crucial to Britain’s economy. In 2019 the UK ran an £18 billion surplus in services trade with the EU, against a deficit of £97 billion in goods.

Data for 2020 were not included in the Aston study because the pandemic has distorted economies so greatly. Du told the Financial Times that the trend of services companies moving away from the UK could accelerate as the pandemic’s influence fades.

“The Covid period created difficulties in moving business and individuals [which] slowed down this relocation process . . . it will now pick up, and get worse as businesses see that there is not much going on in UK-EU negotiations. I think this is only the beginning,” she said.
Some of us in here regularly warned this would happen, even before the 2016 vote.

The growing loss of services with reducing goods exports to the EU could leave us in a desperate situation before long.

Looking on the bright side though, getting by on sovereignty will solve our obesity problem.
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The Express is trying ever so hard
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Brexit backlash: World imports soar as Britons turn on hostile EU ‘Doesn’t look good’
BRITONS are boycotting EU goods in response to the bloc's hostility over the UK's decision to quit, a new analysis by a pro-Brexit think tank has suggested, with imports from the rest of the world now outstripping those from the continent.
In light of the ongoing post-Brexit wrangles over issues such as fishing access and the Northern Ireland Protocol, Mr Evans suggested consumers were beginning to punish the bloc.

He explained: “Over the past few years we have reported that officials in some EU countries (particularly Germany) have referred to the United Kingdom as ‘Treasure Island’.

Where do they get their journalists?
I wonder how consumers are punishing the "the bloc" and boycotting EU goods ?
Could be that the red tape ruined the trade!
 
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Supermarkets are crazy, though. Many, many years ago (1970s?) M&S proudly proclaimed how their shop refrigeration units would be used to heat the stores and be super-efficient. Now, if ever I visit, I get frozen in M&S because they spill so much cold air. And deafened by the incredible noise they emit.
Agreed with some supermarkets but not my more recently built ones.

And I think doubled electricity prices will focus minds much more soon.
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