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I don't see these problems, Tesla's backup is without equal in the e-car world. Despite the small number of their cars about in the UK at present, they have 18 stores and 12 service locations in the UK alongside a network of 50 Supercharger locations which is rapidly expanding. With the market success of their model 3 there will be further servicing expansion now.

There is no issue with sending car batteries to and from the EU, Nissan's Leaf battery production for all Europe is here at Sunderland and their EU wide dealers have mechanics trained in swapping batteries or individual cell banks. The latter goes for Renault too.

Seeing e-cars as new leads to all sorts of assumptions about possible problems, but they aren't new and the "problems" were solved long ago. The Nissan Leaf hit the market here 11 years ago. The Renault Zoe, Renault Fluence and Renault Twizy 10 years ago. The Tesla model S 9 years ago. So there's lots of experience about with many of the cars now on second owners.
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A number of straws in the wind.
1. Nissan have officially endorsed rebuilt battery packs in Japan.
2 Hydrogen is growing in popularity as a real fuel .. Toyota have built a credible ICE vehicle using it.
 

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Nissan have officially endorsed rebuilt battery packs in Japan.
Exactly, as I posted above, e-cars are far from new any more and the public need to accept that they and the facilities they need are often already established.

Hydrogen is growing in popularity as a real fuel .. Toyota have built a credible ICE vehicle using it.
Except, see this link.

It's got to be green enough and with policy being towards rechargeable electric for vehicles, there won't be the surplus of green electricity to produce green hydrogen in the quantities needed.
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There is no issue with sending car batteries to and from the EU
Transporting batteries that are new - no problem. But if they have been damaged, they are in an uncertain state. I don't think many carriers would be happy to take them like that. Hence a need for a facility to extract the batteries and do whatever is necessary to ensure they are safe to transport.
 

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Transporting batteries that are new - no problem. But if they have been damaged, they are in an uncertain state. I don't think many carriers would be happy to take them like that. Hence a need for a facility to extract the batteries and do whatever is necessary to ensure they are safe to transport.
The Leaf trained mechanics at their dealers can do that now. I have one at my local dealers, Ancaster, Croydon who I've chatted with. And there's also Nissan's own dealership in West London. They can take out cell banks and replace them if a cell is suspect for example, the whole battery is modular and repairable. At £8,000 a time you'd expect that.
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The Leaf trained mechanics at their dealers can do that now. I have one at my local dealers, Ancaster, Croydon who I've chatted with. And there's also Nissan's own dealership in West London. They can take out cell banks and replace them if a cell is suspect for example, the whole battery is modular and repairable. At £8,000 a time you'd expect that.
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Does that include mangled after an impact? Rather than just banks of cells due to an internal failure.
 

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Does that include mangled after an impact? Rather than just banks of cells due to an internal failure.
I'm sure Nissan would deal with that at present since it's important to them that there's no fire problems.

It would be a very rare scenario though since it sits inside a form of chassis frame which is part of the rigid passenger centre cell of the vehicle, the blue parts which are under the seats:

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I'm sure Nissan would deal with that at present since it's important to them that there's no fire problems.

It would be a very rare scenario though since it sits inside a form of chassis frame which is part of the rigid passenger centre cell of the vehicle, the blue parts which are under the seats:

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But not unheard of:

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So, Michael Gove gets to take his son to the football in Portugal and Portugal is then added to the amber list once they’re home. Interesting.
 
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It is unheard of as far as Nissan are concerned. No Nissan Leaf has ever suffered a traction battery fire and they are rightly very proud of that record.

On September 1st 2015 a Leaf in Texas suffered a fire in it's normal 12 volt car battery circuit under the bonnet and burnt out in the way any ICE car does with such a fire.

E-car lithium battery fires have been very much a Tesla issue, but mostly due to crashes.

However, as a result of a crash-tested Chevrolet Volt that caught fire in June 2011 three weeks after the testing, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued a statement saying that the agency does not believe the Volt or other electric vehicles are at a greater risk of fire than gasoline-powered vehicles. They added: "In fact, all vehicles –both electric and gasoline-powered – have some risk of fire in the event of a serious crash."
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The Leaf trained mechanics at their dealers can do that now. I have one at my local dealers, Ancaster, Croydon who I've chatted with. And there's also Nissan's own dealership in West London. They can take out cell banks and replace them if a cell is suspect for example, the whole battery is modular and repairable. At £8,000 a time you'd expect that.
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Whats interesting is that the Nissan refurbs in Japan will be 2500
 
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It is unheard of as far as Nissan are concerned. No Nissan Leaf has ever suffered a traction battery fire and they are rightly very proud of that record.

On September 1st 2015 a Leaf in Texas suffered a fire in it's normal 12 volt car battery circuit under the bonnet and burnt out in the way any ICE car does with such a fire.

E-car lithium battery fires have been very much a Tesla issue, but mostly due to crashes.

However, as a result of a crash-tested Chevrolet Volt that caught fire in June 2011 three weeks after the testing, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued a statement saying that the agency does not believe the Volt or other electric vehicles are at a greater risk of fire than gasoline-powered vehicles. They added: "In fact, all vehicles –both electric and gasoline-powered – have some risk of fire in the event of a serious crash."
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If I had to suffer a vehicle fire, I think I'd rather take my chance with an accident damaged traction battery than a damaged fuel tank containing 70-80 litres of petroleum spirit.
 
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As I predicted
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Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine elicits weaker antibody response against Delta variant, UK study finds
The emerging data from researchers at the Francis Crick Institute and UCLH Biomedical Research Centre shows decreased vaccination effectiveness, especially after the first shot, on the variant that was first identified in India. Scientists from the study conclude that second doses must be delivered quickly and vulnerable members of the population might need a booster shot by the end of 2021. The study also says that "a single dose might still afford considerably more protection than no vaccination."

As does an umbrella compared to a parachute almost all the way down?
The study found that after a single dose of the Pfizer jab, just 32% of people had an antibody response to the Delta variant.
 
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Whats interesting is that the Nissan refurbs in Japan will be 2500
That is interesting if it can be translated to here. However, it will be most interesting if higher capacity batteries can be made for the earliest low capacity models which have a limited s/h market.
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If I had to suffer a vehicle fire, I think I'd rather take my chance with an accident damaged traction battery than a damaged fuel tank containing 70-80 litres of petroleum spirit.
I've long maintained this, especially since ICE fuel tanks are situated across the rear of the car.
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As I predicted
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Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine elicits weaker antibody response against Delta variant, UK study finds
The emerging data from researchers at the Francis Crick Institute and UCLH Biomedical Research Centre shows decreased vaccination effectiveness, especially after the first shot, on the variant that was first identified in India. Scientists from the study conclude that second doses must be delivered quickly and vulnerable members of the population might need a booster shot by the end of 2021. The study also says that "a single dose might still afford considerably more protection than no vaccination."

As does an umbrella compared to a parachute almost all the way down?
The study found that after a single dose of the Pfizer jab, just 32% of people had an antibody response to the Delta variant.
Clearly a lot more research needs to be done and Covid could haunt us for many years yet.
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Clearly a lot more research needs to be done and Covid could haunt us for many years yet.
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It is certainly not over yet. I know two people who have caught it in the last couple of days. Both had been vaccinated but only with one dose. It seems as though one dose gives very little protection to the Indian (Delta) variant. Schools appear to be where the virus is now thriving. This piece is worth a read.
Covid outbreak at my children’s school makes me fear we’re complacent | Coronavirus | The Guardian
 
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As I predicted
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Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine elicits weaker antibody response against Delta variant, UK study finds
The emerging data from researchers at the Francis Crick Institute and UCLH Biomedical Research Centre shows decreased vaccination effectiveness, especially after the first shot, on the variant that was first identified in India. Scientists from the study conclude that second doses must be delivered quickly and vulnerable members of the population might need a booster shot by the end of 2021. The study also says that "a single dose might still afford considerably more protection than no vaccination."

As does an umbrella compared to a parachute almost all the way down?
The study found that after a single dose of the Pfizer jab, just 32% of people had an antibody response to the Delta variant.
I recall that one of the more virulent posters on this forum castigated me, when I indicated that I had a fear something like this would occur. This is one case where I would gave been delighted to have been proved wrong . The new advice from our experts is that the second Astra Zeneca dose be moved forward from 12 weeks to 8 weeks.
 

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I've long maintained this, especially since ICE fuel tanks are situated across the rear of the car.
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I remember my Fiat X19 from the 70's, you could hear the petrol sloshing about in the tank which was behind the 2 seats and a piece of cardboard trim, But hey, different times. :D

TTFN
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As I predicted
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Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine elicits weaker antibody response against Delta variant, UK study finds
The emerging data from researchers at the Francis Crick Institute and UCLH Biomedical Research Centre shows decreased vaccination effectiveness, especially after the first shot, on the variant that was first identified in India. Scientists from the study conclude that second doses must be delivered quickly and vulnerable members of the population might need a booster shot by the end of 2021. The study also says that "a single dose might still afford considerably more protection than no vaccination."

As does an umbrella compared to a parachute almost all the way down?
The study found that after a single dose of the Pfizer jab, just 32% of people had an antibody response to the Delta variant.
I can’t identify anything new in your post.
 
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I say , those foreign chappies are saying our government are naughty
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Le gouvernement britannique est accusé d’avoir caché des informations sur le variant Delta chez les enfants
COVID-19
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Le bureau du premier ministre aurait fait pression sur l’agence sanitaire pour ôter une page de statistiques sur la propagation du variant Delta dans les écoles du Royaume-Uni. Plusieurs ONG exigent la publication des chiffres, dans l’intérêt commun

surely they wouldn't do this....
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The Prime Minister's Office reportedly lobbied the health agency to remove a page of statistics on the spread of the Delta variant in schools across the UK. Several NGOs demand publication of figures, in the common interest

Who am I kidding?
 

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