Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Re Johnson's idea for a new Royal Yacht from a Westminster insider
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Larry the Cat@Number10cat
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Makes me wonder which cabinet minister has a friend from university whose pedalo manufacturing company is about to land a £200m contract for a luxury yacht

Pedalo manufacturing has something in common with gin-palace-on-the-water building. So, no chance.

Remember what happened to Maxwell on his yacht (or was it off his yacht?)? Could you see Johnson pissing over the side, then suffering micturition (or post-micturition) syncope followed by drowning?

 

[Zlatan]

What about the perpetual motion machine I built in my shed? That’s man made and it defies the laws of physics. It also supplies the neighbourhood with free electricity.

OG should know all about perpetual motion. He, s in it.

 

[Zlatan]

All those electric vehicles pose a problem for building roads

Gas taxes are the largest source of funding for highway construction, maintenance.

arstechnica.com

Tax worries on fuel starting.. Days of cheap electric numbered. Your machine will come in handy Jesus.

 

[flecc]

What about the perpetual motion machine I built in my shed? That’s man made and it defies the laws of physics. It also supplies the neighbourhood with free electricity.

Nobody wants free electricity, that would be shocking. They want it contained within insulated wires.
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[flecc]

All those electric vehicles pose a problem for building roads

Gas taxes are the largest source of funding for highway construction, maintenance.

arstechnica.com

Tax worries on fuel starting.. Days of cheap electric numbered. Your machine will come in handy Jesus.

Another silly scare story on this subject. Electricity won't suddenly greatly increase in price because it can't.

Instead there will be other changes in taxation to compensate for the loss of fossil fuel revenue. In any case the change to electric cars and vans will be gradual over the next 30 years at least, so there won't be any sudden shocks to the exchequer's revenue flow.
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[oldgroaner]

What more in the way of customer service could one possibly desire?

What a great advert eh?

 

[Zlatan]

Nobody wants free electricity, that would be shocking. They want it contained within insulated wires.
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There, s plenty roaming free, 5g masts are sending waves into us at an alarming rate and caused Covid... Come on flecc... Keep up.
They even reckon Spanish flu was caused by proliferation of electrical equipment.. Says so on YouTube and twitter.
Its not scare stories, it's reality. At moment electrical costs are hardly worth considering for running a car. It's pennies a mile. That won't last forever. If anyone is of a mind to go electric I suspect the sooner the better. There will be either a tax mileage charge or an increase in electricity charge. Expecting other tax payers to pay for driver'd jollies will not go down well.
Won't be for a while, but its inevitable.
Look how govt handled diesel. When they realised folk could pay more tax on it and still save money... Tax went up. For years diesel was cheaper than petrol, until it got popular. Will be same again.

 

[oyster]

here will be either a tax mileage charge or an increase in electricity charge.

How will they levy an increased electricity charge?

If they do so on dedicated chargers, expect an increase in people charging via 13A.

Mileage charge is interesting but could cause a degree of antipathy from many - depending on how they intend to measure mileage.

 

[flecc]

Its not scare stories, it's reality. At moment electrical costs are hardly worth considering for running a car. It's pennies a mile. That won't last forever. If anyone is of a mind to go electric I suspect the sooner the better. There will be either a tax mileage charge or an increase in electricity charge. Expecting other tax payers to pay for driver'd jollies will not go down well.
Won't be for a while, but its inevitable.

Electricity prices we already knew will increase to pay for nuclear and further green measures, but that will be as much as consumer can stand. For example, EDF have been guaranteed 19 p per unit for Hinckley point and that's the price at source, which equates to at least 25 to 30 p per unit for the consumer, double what they are paying now within ten years. That will leave consumers struggling with bills so there's no way lots more can be added for e-cars through tax

And since e-cars can be charged from household supplies and they stand around unused for most of their lives so have plenty of time for slow charging, the price to most e-motorists won't increase beyond household prices for around 25 to 30 years.
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[Danidl]

There, s plenty roaming free, 5g masts are sending waves into us at an alarming rate and caused Covid... Come on flecc... Keep up.
They even reckon Spanish flu was caused by proliferation of electrical equipment.. Says so on YouTube and twitter.
Its not scare stories, it's reality. At moment electrical costs are hardly worth considering for running a car. It's pennies a mile. That won't last forever. If anyone is of a mind to go electric I suspect the sooner the better. There will be either a tax mileage charge or an increase in electricity charge. Expecting other tax payers to pay for driver'd jollies will not go down well.
Won't be for a while, but its inevitable.
Look how govt handled diesel. When they realised folk could pay more tax on it and still save money... Tax went up. For years diesel was cheaper than petrol, until it got popular. Will be same again.

That's a no brainer.. Of course there will be taxes on the use of electric cars. Whether it is a yearly return on the odometer reading .. which is my preferred method , or a massive cost on the MoT or NCT as we call it , the State needs its revenue.
All jt requires is the inclusion of a small memory chip reading the number of charge cycles of the battery pack or charge sent to the motor . Making these items tamperproof is actually very simple ... Eg the amount of piracy on the Sky platform is very small.

 

[flecc]

Mileage charge is interesting but could cause a degree of antipathy from many - depending on how they intend to measure mileage.

Mileage charge will be easy to apply to e-cars since they all have sophisticated software with mileage stored apart from the odometer record. Administratively all it would need is for the MOT mileage record to be used, with self recording for the first two years when taxing and illegal to sell within three years without an additional MOT inspection. That would safeguard buyers and also expose under recording mileage by the driver.

So I see mileage charges as being possible to raise some of the lost tax revenue.
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[Zlatan]

That's a no brainer.. Of course there will be taxes on the use of electric cars. Whether it is a yearly return on the odometer reading .. which is my preferred method , or a massive cost on the MoT or NCT as we call it , the State needs its revenue.
All jt requires is the inclusion of a small memory chip reading the number of charge cycles of the battery pack or charge sent to the motor . Making these items tamperproof is actually very simple ... Eg the amount of piracy on the Sky platform is very small.

Yep, I agree. What's the adage... Two things in life are certain. Death and taxes. Whilst it's an incentive to get folk into ecars it will be a not talked about subject, once it reaches a level of no return/saturation.... They will find a way of taxing mileage one way or another.. It really is inevitable.
Let's face it folk in Teslas getting to 60mph in 2 seconds and folk in Leafs shouldn't be paying almost same per mile... Ie.. Peanuts.
Its a nice thought to think both tax and running costs for ecars will be low for ever but its not realistic.
They might put a red dye in electric as they did with agricultural /marine diesel... Then fine folk with red batteries.. Only a thought.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Yep, I agree. What's the adage... Two things in life are certain. Death and taxes. Whilst it's an incentive to get folk into ecars it will be a not talked about subject, once it reaches a level of no return/saturation.... They will find a way of taxing mileage one way or another.. It really is inevitable.
Let's face it folk in Teslas getting to 60mph in 2 seconds and folk in Leafs shouldn't be paying almost same per mile... Ie.. Peanuts.
Its a nice thought to think both tax and running costs for ecars will be low for ever but its not realistic.
They might put a red dye in electric as they did with agricultural /marine diesel... Then fine folk with red batteries.. Only a thought.

However, LG make 400w solar panels (that are easy to install) for a few hundred quid each. By my (fairly inept, I'm not an engineer)calculation (have cheap sunny place in Italy in need of one) it's possible to build a 20 panel system (that should give about 40 kWh a day) for less than £10k. Over its 25 year life (I wont live that long but still) that would be running a tesla for peanuts

 

[Zlatan]

However, LG make 400w solar panels (that are easy to install) for a few hundred quid each. By my (fairly inept, I'm not an engineer)calculation (have cheap sunny place in Italy in need of one) it's possible to build a 20 panel system (that should give about 40 kWh a day) for less than £10k. Over its 25 year life (I wont live that long but still) that would be running a tesla for peanuts

There are always ways around tax for a few, don't tell anybody but... I used to run a big 4x4 on LPG, had access to a great big LPG tank, transfer pump, liquid take off. 6p a litre, job done. No way of knowing. (no markers in LPG those days, not sure there is now but some say so)
But if enough go solar panel route I, m sure tax on mileage would come in... As Danidl said... Tamper proof stuff these days isn't difficult... Even road tolls???
If it makes Govt money... They will sort it.

 

[flecc]

However, LG make 400w solar panels (that are easy to install) for a few hundred quid each. By my (fairly inept, I'm not an engineer)calculation (have cheap sunny place in Italy in need of one) it's possible to build a 20 panel system (that should give about 40 kWh a day) for less than £10k. Over its 25 year life (I wont live that long but still) that would be running a tesla for peanuts

This is one of the problems with taxing the electricity for e-cars. The multi point charging stations for them being built now have vast roofing over the whole site covered with up to the minute solar panels and some might be having more on land alongside soon. In addition they have battery storage banks (Powerwalls) to absorb charge at unwanted times,

Fed as well from the mains, how does one sort what proportions are coming from each of the three into a car? Simple answer, one can't.

There may well be mileage charging as Zlatan, Danidl and I have posted above, but not huge electricity price increases due the the many impossibilities in trying to do that.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

There are always ways around tax for a few, don't tell anybody but... I used to run a big 4x4 on LPG, had access to a great big LPG tank, transfer pump, liquid take off. 6p a litre, job done. No way of knowing. (no markers in LPG those days, not sure there is now but some say so)
But if enough go solar panel route I, m sure tax on mileage would come in... As Danidl said... Tamper proof stuff these days isn't difficult... Even road tolls???
If it makes Govt money... They will sort it.

There is a moral conundrum in it. I'm all for paying my fair share of tax (and more if it's not spent on foreign wars or graylings phantastic ferry companies). But it is a dilemma

 

[Zlatan]

There is a moral conundrum in it. I'm all for paying my fair share of tax (and more if it's not spent on foreign wars or graylings phantastic ferry companies). But it is a dilemma

Yep, I used to lose sleep over not paying fuel tax..
Put enough petrol through boats tho, which shouldn't attract road tax... But does. Try explaining to attendant that petrol is going in your mower, boat, off road mc...

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Yep, I used to lose sleep over not paying fuel tax..
Put enough petrol through boats tho, which shouldn't attract road tax... But does. Try explaining to attendant that petrol is going in your mower, boat, off road mc...

Boris would, I think, tell you it wasn't hypothecated and not to worry your little head about what he does with your money. Which is of course entirely reasonable. I mean, he is just a well meaning if clumsy buffoon, isnt he?

 

[Zlatan]

Boris would, I think, tell you it wasn't hypothecated and not to worry your little head about what he does with your money. Which is of course entirely reasonable. I mean, he is just a well meaning if clumsy buffoon, isnt he?

He, s no buffoon... Knows exactly what he, s doing... Hypothecated... That's a good word... Isn't it the old word for a chemists shop.?? My grandad used to talk about them and cures for piles,while chain smoking parky rough and drinking whiskey. He had a flat cap too. He never borrowed money though.

 

[flecc]

Hypothecated... That's a good word... Isn't it the old word for a chemists shop.??

That's a Pothecary, and there's an archaic form Apothecary, either meaning Pharmacist.

Who isn't someone who helps out on the farm.
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