Brexit, for once some facts.

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I see it as a warning of the horrors that will come from the proposed trade deals. The British are price obsessed and schizophrenic about animal welfare and our farms, so will buy any rubbish if its cheap enough.

We'll be adding Australian beef to the New Zealand lamb, Danish bacon, Dutch pork and French milk we already buy and a USA trade deal will bring in cheap wheat to kill that production here.

I'm just glad that I'm at the tail end of life, I'd hate to be young now, given the rapidly diminishing prospects.
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I see it as a warning of the horrors that will come from the proposed trade deals. The British are price obsessed and schizophrenic about animal welfare and our farms, so will buy any rubbish if its cheap enough.

We'll be adding Australian beef to the New Zealand lamb, Danish bacon, Dutch pork and French milk we already buy and a USA trade deal will bring in cheap wheat to kill that production here.

I'm just glad that I'm at the tail end of life, I'd hate to be young now, given the rapidly diminishing prospects.
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I completely agree flecc
 
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It took me about 2 mins to do the following question and I was feeling quite pleased with myself. I then gave the question to my 13 year old grand son. He did it in about 10 seconds! I wasn't feeling quite so cock of the north afterwards. Can any of you beat 10 seconds?

A bat and ball together cost £1.10. The bat costs £1.00 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?
 
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It took me about 2 mins to do the following question and I was feeling quite pleased with myself. I then gave the question to my 13 year old grand son. He did it in about 10 seconds! I wasn't feeling quite so cock of the north afterwards. Can any of you beat 10 seconds?

A bat and ball together cost £1.10. The bat costs £1.00 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?
£1.05
 
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Press releases always paint things in the best light...

Ofgem delivers £300 million down payment to rewire Britain

Publication date
24th May 2021
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  • Electricity - distribution
  • Electricity - transmission

  • £300 million investment for over 200 low carbon projects to get Britain ready for more electric transport and heat.
  • New infrastructure to support 1,800 new ultra-rapid charging points at motorway service areas.
  • Part of a broader investment programme for safe, secure and clean energy, with £40 billion confirmed already and more to follow in 2022.

But obvious mistakes do tend to undermine the message: "Cities like Glasgow, Kirkwall, Warrington, Llandudno, York and Truro ..." - Kirkwall, Warrington and Llandudno are not cities.

Interestingly, the Guardian refers to urban areas.
 
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Press releases always paint things in the best light...

Ofgem delivers £300 million down payment to rewire Britain

Publication date
24th May 2021
Information types
  • Press releases
Policy areas
  • Electricity - distribution
  • Electricity - transmission

  • £300 million investment for over 200 low carbon projects to get Britain ready for more electric transport and heat.
  • New infrastructure to support 1,800 new ultra-rapid charging points at motorway service areas.
  • Part of a broader investment programme for safe, secure and clean energy, with £40 billion confirmed already and more to follow in 2022.

But obvious mistakes do tend to undermine the message: "Cities like Glasgow, Kirkwall, Warrington, Llandudno, York and Truro ..." - Kirkwall, Warrington and Llandudno are not cities.

Interestingly, the Guardian refers to urban areas.
Spread over time of course. The early stages are like many now, concentrating on the long distance routes where mid journey charges can be needed, since most other charging is done at home overnight.

Typical is a scheme by Franklin Energy going ahead now for a 236 bay charging point at Brent Cross. At the southern end of the M1, it will also serve the huge Brent Cross shopping centre in North London. However the initial stage by the end of this year is for 50 only moderately fast charge points and two 350 kW ultra rapid units. Completion of all 236 bays is intended by the end of 2026, but obviously they will tailor that to the demand as it rises.
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Interestingly, the Guardian refers to urban areas.
This is of more interest to you in your location:

Electric vehicle (EV) charging specialist Connected Kerb is working with Kent County Council in a project that hopes to provide a blueprint for local authorities across the UK to deliver sustainable, affordable and accessible EV infrastructure to hard-to-reach UK communities.

In the project’s first phase, Connected Kerb is installing 40 charging devices across 20 Kent Parish sites to improve accessibility for EV motorists and encourage a wider shift to EVs. All income from the chargers goes to the local community or is used to support the roll out and maintenance of more chargers.
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This is of more interest to you in your location:

Electric vehicle (EV) charging specialist Connected Kerb is working with Kent County Council in a project that hopes to provide a blueprint for local authorities across the UK to deliver sustainable, affordable and accessible EV infrastructure to hard-to-reach UK communities.

In the project’s first phase, Connected Kerb is installing 40 charging devices across 20 Kent Parish sites to improve accessibility for EV motorists and encourage a wider shift to EVs. All income from the chargers goes to the local community or is used to support the roll out and maintenance of more chargers.
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A lot of EVs don't have the range to get from here to Kent! :)

But, talking about chargers in Kent...

Hastings joined with Romney, Hythe, Dover and Sandwich to form a brotherhood of coastal towns in 1067, intended to defend England from any cross-Channel invasion; they took the crest of a running horse rampant and stable door bolted.
 

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This is of more interest to you in your location:

Electric vehicle (EV) charging specialist Connected Kerb is working with Kent County Council in a project that hopes to provide a blueprint for local authorities across the UK to deliver sustainable, affordable and accessible EV infrastructure to hard-to-reach UK communities.

In the project’s first phase, Connected Kerb is installing 40 charging devices across 20 Kent Parish sites to improve accessibility for EV motorists and encourage a wider shift to EVs. All income from the chargers goes to the local community or is used to support the roll out and maintenance of more chargers.
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Back on the EV topic. Opel have a very interesting van . It contains a relatively small Li ion pack, ..good for 60 miles, and a hydrogen fuel cell and a few cylinders of hydrogen gas. The idea is that the fuel cell continually keeps the battery charged, the battery has the oomph to drive the motor. Filling at a hydrogen station is a few minutes only. And gives the 400 miles range. Virtually silent. And with the advantage that it augments what will be potentially a lithium shortage. Now that is a game changer, in that putting hydrogen pumps in petrol stations is a non issue, and the requirements for kerbside charging is gone. All you need is a petrol station or a power point within 40 miles.
 
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Now for something completely Different
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Missing man found dead inside Spanish dinosaur statue
Police say it’s likely the 39-year-old got stuck trying to retrieve his mobile phone after dropping it
My tweeted response

Gerald Bell@GOldcodger

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That has to be a Darwin Award, first Human killed by a Dinosaur.:cool:
 

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Weird piece from Oakeshot in the Daily Mail
I've seen in Hong Kong and Singapore what freetrade does to food.
The rich can always pick and choose, the poorer have to buy low quality forever.
 

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Back on the EV topic. Opel have a very interesting van . It contains a relatively small Li ion pack, ..good for 60 miles, and a hydrogen fuel cell and a few cylinders of hydrogen gas. The idea is that the fuel cell continually keeps the battery charged, the battery has the oomph to drive the motor. Filling at a hydrogen station is a few minutes only. And gives the 400 miles range. Virtually silent. And with the advantage that it augments what will be potentially a lithium shortage. Now that is a game changer, in that putting hydrogen pumps in petrol stations is a non issue, and the requirements for kerbside charging is gone. All you need is a petrol station or a power point within 40 miles.
Opel have been wholly French owned by PSA (Peugeot) for over four years now, so it's likely they've been heavily involved.

However I don't see this as an important development for a number of reasons. Most vans travel relatively short daily distances and batteries are already serving them more than adequately. The lithium shortage is looking increasingly mythical. Kerbside charging doesn't apply to vans which predominantly recharge at base overnight and for at least the next 20 years the bulk of all e-car charging will be done at home overnight. And the progress on providing both hydrogen and a hydrogen infrastructure has been pathetically slow.

So it's a solution for a problem with very limited existence for a long time yet, by which time the problem could have largely gone. My bet is that it will never happen, just like our Mercedes hydrogen buses in London.
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Think this might make it into hybrids sometime in future. Must be simplest engine ever invented and coupled to a linear generator could vibrate for years producing electricity.
From what I, ve read it seems hydrogen engines can be made almost emission free, but when they are produce around half the power of similar sized petrol/diesel.
I suspect we should be looking at technologies although not perfect are cleaner than current ICE. There will always be a need for prime movers somewhere. Hydrogen, even when made to compete with current ICE are virtually co2 free, hydro carbon free but still emit nitrides of oxygen.( in performance mode)
Linked engine at 10kg can produce 16kw...thats a great power to weight figure. Could drastically reduce battery size, I can't see any other hybrid actually been way forward.??
 

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Back on the EV topic. Opel have a very interesting van . It contains a relatively small Li ion pack, ..good for 60 miles, and a hydrogen fuel cell and a few cylinders of hydrogen gas. The idea is that the fuel cell continually keeps the battery charged, the battery has the oomph to drive the motor. Filling at a hydrogen station is a few minutes only. And gives the 400 miles range. Virtually silent. And with the advantage that it augments what will be potentially a lithium shortage. Now that is a game changer, in that putting hydrogen pumps in petrol stations is a non issue, and the requirements for kerbside charging is gone. All you need is a petrol station or a power point within 40 miles.
It would surprise me if there were ever any new vehicles with electrical drive which don't have a battery pack or, just possibly, some sort of capacitor. Regenerative braking is a significant part of energy efficiency. I'm pretty sure you can't and never will be able to generate and compress hydrogen as you slow down.

The Toyota FCV-R in 2011 had such a battery despite being nominally a hydrogen vehicle.

And where does the hydrogen come from? If you can sensibly electrolytically split water and compress hydrogen using a solar array or wind turbine, maybe. But not a good idea if it needs petrochemical input. What efficiency can be achieved - even theoretically?
 
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It would surprise me if there were ever any new vehicles with electrical drive which don't have a battery pack or, just possibly, some sort of capacitor. Regenerative braking is a significant part of energy efficiency. I'm pretty sure you can't and never will be able to generate and compress hydrogen as you slow down.

The Toyota FCV-R in 2011 had such a battery despite being nominally a hydrogen vehicle.

And where does the hydrogen come from? If you can sensibly electrolytically split water and compress hydrogen using a solar array or wind turbine, maybe. But not a good idea if it needs petrochemical input. What efficiency can be achieved - even theoretically?
For widespread mass usage I agree but to think everyone in every area and circumstance can operate solely on electricity is mistaken.
There will always be need for Independant (off grid literally) technology,either in form of fast response generators or hybrid type vehicles. Hydrogen could fill that roll much cleaner than current ICE,even taking into account its production.
There is lots of work going into hydrogen powered lorries.... Can't remember which firm but one if larger ones is planning on replacing diesel engines with hydrogen.
Can't imagine Australian road train lorries electrifying any time soon??? (or the Alaskan Ice Truckers???)
Australian Road train truck... 19 litres,
Diesel..
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Can't see that been replaced by anything in next 20 or 30 years??? Any ideas? Perhaps hydrogen fuel cells or Hyrdogen ICE? But suspect alternative will take some finding. And will it be worthwhile environmentally, still profitable and desirable...
Our old ICE technology takes some beating.


Or a couple of these??
 
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