Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

You may resist acknowledging how good the AZ vaccine is, but it’s futile. It’s a very affective vaccine across all age groups.

Regrettably your second sentence is as yet an hope not an established fact. But the data is growing, .. particularly from the UK which is working as a trials laboratory for the world. As previously stated, the information as provided to the EMA and of course to the UK equivalent, was deficient in data for the over 60 s cohort. The EMA read that far, the UK presumed, that lack of evidence was not evidence of an absent effect.

 

[POLLY]

The single vaccine shot strategy is really off paying off now. After one dose, the AZ vaccine is proving to be slightly more effective at preventing hospitalisation than the PB vaccine. AZ is around 94% effective and PB around 85% effective against hospitalisation. That’s according to a study by Public Health Scotland. Both figures are fantastic.

Germany is currently struggling with its third wave of Covid yet they are sat on a stock of AZ vaccine they are refusing to use. They’ve only protected their citizens with less than 300000 doses of AZ. Appalling.

The problem they now face is that out of political spite, the leadership in the EU has publicly and clearly rubbished the AZ vaccine’s reputation. This is most likely because the AZ vaccine has the UKs fingerprints on it and they don’t want to be seen as reliant on, or giving credit to the U.K.

I think the EUs childish behaviour will have an adverse affect on vaccine uptake, particularly with the AZ vaccine. This is going to slow the already dismal vaccination programme administered in the EU. Silly people.

100% Bullcrap

 

[POLLY]

How big were the Scottish samples? I would expect any 'real world' sample numbers to be quite a bit bigger than numbers from trails. The data would almost certainly be less scientifically collected than the data collected in a formal trial, so larger numbers would be needed for the same overall reliability.

100% Bullcrap

 

[POLLY]

No JHC I think is correct, from memory that Scottish trial showed that the AZ was slightly more effective at reducing hospitalisations than the Pfizer one.

It had not yet been peer reviewed so I think we need to wait for more information, but I am not too bothered which one is slightly better. They are both excellent at reducing the chance of people becoming seriously ill and having to go into hospital.

100% Bullcrap

 

[flecc]

How big were the Scottish samples? I would expect any 'real world' sample numbers to be quite a bit bigger than numbers from trails. The data would almost certainly be less scientifically collected than the data collected in a formal trial, so larger numbers would be needed for the same overall reliability.

At the point of this first being announced, Scotland had only just vaccinated 15% of the top priority group of over 80s.

That is far too limited a sample of age and numbers to draw from to reach such emphatic and precise conclusions on resistance to hospitalisation resulting from two different vaccines.
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[flecc]

You may resist acknowledging how good the AZ vaccine is, but it’s futile. It’s a very affective vaccine across all age groups.

We don't know that at all. The 15% of Scots over 80 who had received the jab totalled some 37,500 out of the UK's 66 millions, just 0.06% of the population.

And many of them will only just have received the jab in the last week or so and didn't have time to fall ill with Covid-19 and be hospitalised. Only a tiny fraction will have had the jab four weeks or more earlier so able to start giving some reliable data.

The claims are too ill based on a wholly inadequate sample to be treated as scientifically valid and I assure you that no-one will ever peer review and approve this so called trial.

As cheer leading for getting the masses to accept the jab it is excellent, but as science it is rubbish.
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[Jesus H Christ]

I am tempted to quote your pal Polly!!. . But I will refrain an confine myself to FACTs. The reduction in hospital admissions in the UK is very welcome and due mainly to the Pfizer vaccine. Why?. Because the AZ has not been in use long enough for its effectiveness to have affected the statistics significantly..
At no stage have any EU personnel rubbished the AZ vaccine. What you are stating as fact is selected quotations in a UK redtop papers ,not what was actually said. Unfortunately there are redtop papers in Germany also, which are even more rightwing than the UK versions, and they are parroting and regurgitating the British tabloids
The strategy of disregarding the designers protocol of the double jab at the specific 21 day interval, remains an extremely dangerous experiment, The Israeli data confirms the wisdom of the original protocols, and the reduction in protection as a single dose wanes.
We don't have warehouses full of the AZ vaccine waiting ,unwanted and unused...they were missing when we went for them ..see back only 3 weeks ago. Any AZ vaccine is being injected into health care workers, front line staff eg anyone below 60 , for which evidence data of efficiency and efficacy exists. We showed shipments arriving in Ireland as the first shipment about 10 days ago.

AZ is showing strong signs of being the more effective at 94% in preventing hospitalisation. The PB is still very good at 80+ %.

Germany has loads of AZ but have painted themselves into a corner regarding its use.

 

[Danidl]

"Germany has loads of AZ but have painted themselves into a corner regarding its use.".. and you know this how?. Divine intuition?

 

[Danidl]

I have been watching American Gods on and off on Amazon prime. I thought it was an OTT Parody, not realising it was a national geographic anthropologic documentary.

 

[POLLY]

No JHC I think is correct, from memory that Scottish trial showed that the AZ was slightly more effective at reducing hospitalisations than the Pfizer one.

It had not yet been peer reviewed so I think we need to wait for more information, but I am not too bothered which one is slightly better. They are both excellent at reducing the chance of people becoming seriously ill and having to go into hospital.

(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

 

[flecc]

"Germany has loads of AZ but have painted themselves into a corner regarding its use.".. and you know this how?. Divine intuition?

"The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has been receiving a lot of attention recently. The EU has been dissatisfied with production hold-ups, while the German health ministry has raised questions over its efficacy in older age groups. As a result, Stiko – the German Standing Committee on Vaccination – has suggested in a draft recommendation that the vaccine should not be given to people over 65.

If Germany does decide not to authorise the vaccine for over-65s, this will be because it considers there were insufficient people over 55 included in the vaccine’s phase 3 trials to give a good estimate of efficacy in older age groups. This is an issue that has been raised before.

In fact, in the peer-reviewed write-up of the Oxford-AstraZeneca trials, the authors admitted that following their tests, “vaccine efficacy in older age groups could not be assessed”. But while this isn’t ideal, it’s not a reason to panic.

Indeed, the European Medicines Agency has now authorised th vaccine for use in Europe in all adults over 18, despite German concerns. The EMA acknowledged that efficacy data for over-55s was lacking, but said that it expected the vaccine to be protective “given that an immune response is seen in this age group and based on experience with other vaccines”."
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[POLLY]

How big were the Scottish samples? I would expect any 'real world' sample numbers to be quite a bit bigger than numbers from trails. The data would almost certainly be less scientifically collected than the data collected in a formal trial, so larger numbers would be needed for the same overall reliability.

(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

 

[POLLY]

"The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has been receiving a lot of attention recently. The EU has been dissatisfied with production hold-ups, while the German health ministry has raised questions over its efficacy in older age groups. As a result, Stiko – the German Standing Committee on Vaccination – has suggested in a draft recommendation that the vaccine should not be given to people over 65.

If Germany does decide not to authorise the vaccine for over-65s, this will be because it considers there were insufficient people over 55 included in the vaccine’s phase 3 trials to give a good estimate of efficacy in older age groups. This is an issue that has been raised before.

In fact, in the peer-reviewed write-up of the Oxford-AstraZeneca trials, the authors admitted that following their tests, “vaccine efficacy in older age groups could not be assessed”. But while this isn’t ideal, it’s not a reason to panic.

Indeed, the European Medicines Agency has now authorised the vaccine for use in Europe in all adults over 18, despite German concerns. The EMA acknowledged that efficacy data for over-55s was lacking, but said that it expected the vaccine to be protective “given that an immune response is seen in this age group and based on experience with other vaccines”."
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(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

 

[POLLY]

The single vaccine shot strategy is really off paying off now. After one dose, the AZ vaccine is proving to be slightly more effective at preventing hospitalisation than the PB vaccine. AZ is around 94% effective and PB around 85% effective against hospitalisation. That’s according to a study by Public Health Scotland. Both figures are fantastic.

Germany is currently struggling with its third wave of Covid yet they are sat on a stock of AZ vaccine they are refusing to use. They’ve only protected their citizens with less than 300000 doses of AZ. Appalling.

The problem they now face is that out of political spite, the leadership in the EU has publicly and clearly rubbished the AZ vaccine’s reputation. This is most likely because the AZ vaccine has the UKs fingerprints on it and they don’t want to be seen as reliant on, or giving credit to the U.K.

I think the EUs childish behaviour will have an adverse affect on vaccine uptake, particularly with the AZ vaccine. This is going to slow the already dismal vaccination programme administered in the EU. Silly people.

(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

 

[flecc]

(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

Can we have your evidence for posting this POLLY?
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[POLLY]

First, welcome back! second
Mt wife just received a long over due notice
"Government guidance for clinically vulnerable people"
Which contains a line that demonstrates their lack of faith in the efficiency of vaccines to protect her.
"Even if they have had both vaccination doses, they should continue to follow these shielding measures as we continue to assess the impact of vaccination among all groups"

And of course this has emerged

Antibody Test for IgG
This test detects IgG antibodies that develop in most patients within seven to 10 days after symptoms of COVID-19 begin. IgG antibodies remain in the blood after an infection has passed. These antibodies indicate that you may have had COVID-19 in the recent past and have developed antibodies that may protect you from future infection. It is unknown at this point how much protection antibodies might provide against reinfection.

Be careful what you gloat about Zlatan, this is not a football match, and we are at risk as I have said all along with this interference with the dosing period

(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

 

[POLLY]

What is a worry is that there are liable to be some recipients of the warning notice to say, "well if I still can't go out after having the second jab, what's the point of having it? I'll just wait for the lockdown to end."
The author of the document should have stressed the need to have that second shot and detailed the reason why.

(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

 

[Jesus H Christ]

(COVID-19) IS A 100% HOAX

Fully agree. You should expose yourself to a risk of infection. There’s nothing to worry about.

 

[sjpt]

Bring back the good old days when Polly just posted smileys on lots of posts, but never posted itself.

 

[POLLY]

We don't know that at all. The 15% of Scots over 80 who had received the jab totalled some 37,500 out of the UK's 66 millions, just 0.06% of the population.

And many of them will only just have received the jab in the last week or so and didn't have time to fall ill with Covid-19 and be hospitalised. Only a tiny fraction will have had the jab four weeks or more earlier so able to start giving some reliable data.

The claims are too ill based on a wholly inadequate sample to be treated as scientifically valid and I assure you that no-one will ever peer review and approve this so called trial.

As cheer leading for getting the masses to accept the jab it is excellent, but as science it is rubbish.
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100% Bullcrap