Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

That's not correct at all.

The candidate who receives an absolute majority of electoral votes (at least 270 out of 538, since the Twenty-Third Amendment granted voting rights to citizens of D.C.) is then elected to that office. If no candidate receives an absolute majority of the votes for president, the House of Representatives elects the president; likewise if no one receives an absolute majority of the votes for vice president, then the Senate elects the vice president.

One of the scenarios that could play out with a fair degree of probability is that the courts decide that the ballot papers weren't controlled properly during the counting and that procedures, like allowing independent observers, weren't followed, so no point in a recount because it won't show that ballots were destroyed, adjusted or added in, so they nullify the vote in that state. Without anyone getting elected, neither Trump nor Biden gets past 270, so the 30 vs 19 Electoral College has to decide.

Well I will disagree with your scenario. Certainly the GoPs narrative is that ballot papers were not controlled. But there will be thousands of counting centre supervisors who will dispute that. The GoP need credible evidence. .. None of which has been generated. If anything, they scored an own goal where a postman in West Virginia has admitted in court in opening and modifying 5 votes . So at present the ONLY conviction has been of votr tampering by the GoP.

Indeed the NYT polled a large number of poll supervisors yesterday and they dispute ANY irregularities . So the more likely scenario is the recount in Georgia, the inclusion of the delayed ballots in Pennsylvania and all States certifying their results. Then the court of Electors votes in December, and Pence is (reluctantly) required to communicate this Nationally. Then Russia and China and México sebd their congratulations

 

[RossG]

That's not correct at all.

The candidate who receives an absolute majority of electoral votes (at least 270 out of 538, since the Twenty-Third Amendment granted voting rights to citizens of D.C.) is then elected to that office. If no candidate receives an absolute majority of the votes for president, the House of Representatives elects the president; likewise if no one receives an absolute majority of the votes for vice president, then the Senate elects the vice president.

One of the scenarios that could play out with a fair degree of probability is that the courts decide that the ballot papers weren't controlled properly during the counting and that procedures, like allowing independent observers, weren't followed, so no point in a recount because it won't show that ballots were destroyed, adjusted or added in, so they nullify the vote in that state. Without anyone getting elected, neither Trump nor Biden gets past 270, so the 30 vs 19 Electoral College has to decide.

I was referring to the Georgia vote which at present puts Biden 14,112 ahead of Trump. A hand recount has been requested and more votes could go Trumps way, for some technical reason which I don't understand voting cannot be out by more than 2,600 which means of course even if Trump received all of those he would still fall short of winning Georgia....oh dear, never mind.

As for the election in general, there has been no voter fraud and observers were not barred. I watched live US Gov feeds from many counting stations (bit like watching paint dry) and you could clearly see observers walking around viewing the proceedings. If they spotted anything they thought was not as it should be they held up a hand and it was investigated, again there was no fraud. Biden has won the Presidency and is now forming his own transition team without the assistance of Trump. Many US States are now acting independently of the current President's instructions and following Biden's advice instead like N.York in organising a lockdown.
Biden's here to stay, let's see how he preforms.

 

[vfr400]

Well I will disagree with your scenario. Certainly the GoPs narrative is that ballot papers were not controlled. But there will be thousands of counting centre supervisors who will dispute that. The GoP need credible evidence. .. None of which has been generated. If anything, they scored an own goal where a postman in West Virginia has admitted in court in opening and modifying 5 votes . So at present the ONLY conviction has been of votr tampering by the GoP.

Indeed the NYT polled a large number of poll supervisors yesterday and they dispute ANY irregularities . So the more likely scenario is the recount in Georgia, the inclusion of the delayed ballots in Pennsylvania and all States certifying their results. Then the court of Electors votes in December, and Pence is (reluctantly) required to communicate this Nationally. Then Russia and China and México sebd their congratulations

I just polled hundreds of politicians. 100% of them said that they have never done anything crooked or in their own self-interest, so that's another myth blown away.

Don't forget that they have hundreds of affidavits detailing irregularities during the count, some of which are specifically about supervisors breaking the rules.

 

[vfr400]

 

[vfr400]

Pompeo seems to be extremely confident. I've never seen him talk bullsh¦t before:

 

[Nev]

Brexit preparations not going too well, everyone seems to be blaming someone else.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Transport referred questions to Highways England. A spokeswoman for Highways England said: “We are working with a number of partners to put contingency plans in place.” But she referred questions about toilet facilities for lorry drivers back to the department and to Kent county council.

A Kent county council spokesman said waste clearance was the responsibility of district and borough councils.

Post-Brexit lorry queues could make Kent 'toilet of England'

Campaigners warn that roads and laybys are already littered with urine and excrement

www.theguardian.com

 

[Wicky]

Have you seen the proud Boys? What type of white supremacists do you think this guy is? He's an Afro-Cuban, Enrique Tarrio , their Chairman and leader. The guys next to him seem very tanned too!

Looks like they fooled gullible folk into believing they aren't a shite suprematist gang.

Civil war brewing inside Proud Boys as the top leader says he's done pretending he isn't a Nazi

The far-right Proud Boys gang has long denied that it is a white nationalist organization and has instead claimed that it only exists to defend "Western Civilization."However, Newsweek reports that some members of the group are ready to openly embrace being a racist organization and are dropping...

www.rawstory.com

“Due to the recent failure of Proud Boy Chairman Enrique Tarrio to conduct himself with honor and courage on the battlefield, it has been decided that I Kyle Chapman reassume my post as President of Proud Boys effective
immediately,” Chapman wrote. “We will no longer cuck to the left by appointing token negroes as our leaders. We will no longer allow homosexuals or other ‘undesirables’ into our ranks. We will confront the Zionist criminals who wish to destroy our civilization.”

He also made clear that he believed talk of defending “Western Civilization” was really just a racist dog whistle all along.

“We recognize that the West was built by the White Race alone and we owe nothing to any other race,” he wrote."

 

[Danidl]

I just polled hundreds of politicians. 100% of them said that they have never done anything crooked or in their own self-interest, so that's another myth blown away.

Don't forget that they have hundreds of affidavits detailing irregularities during the count, some of which are specifically about supervisors breaking the rules.

The poll supervisors are career public servants and civil servants, not political party hacks. In my experience, and it is extensive, these are very honourable people . They might be viewed as fuddy duddy , but they are not corrupt or political appointees . Their pensions depend on their honesty.
As I said previously, with 150 million votes, if there were not a few errors or omissions or even malice, I would be surprised. Lets see how many of these affadivits survive cross examination.

 

[Danidl]

Pompeo seems to be extremely confident. I've never seen him talk bullsh¦t before:

There is always a first time. ..What continues to surprise me is how corrupting the Trump orbit is. Very few acolytes survive exposure with intact reputations. ..Nicki Halley seems at present unique in that regard.

 

[Danidl]

Thank you for the above. It is informative. That is exactly why I have huge dislike of non paper ballots. We had such machines purchased for use in Ireland. (Different brand ), they were used in one set of elections, universally disliked, put into storage and scrapped.
I would have no difficulty with optical scanning of completed paper forms. ..as the voting paper is available for recounts.

 

[SirNigel]

Looks like they fooled gullible folk into believing they aren't a shite suprematist gang.

Civil war brewing inside Proud Boys as the top leader says he's done pretending he isn't a Nazi

The far-right Proud Boys gang has long denied that it is a white nationalist organization and has instead claimed that it only exists to defend "Western Civilization."However, Newsweek reports that some members of the group are ready to openly embrace being a racist organization and are dropping...

www.rawstory.com

“Due to the recent failure of Proud Boy Chairman Enrique Tarrio to conduct himself with honor and courage on the battlefield, it has been decided that I Kyle Chapman reassume my post as President of Proud Boys effective
immediately,” Chapman wrote. “We will no longer cuck to the left by appointing token negroes as our leaders. We will no longer allow homosexuals or other ‘undesirables’ into our ranks. We will confront the Zionist criminals who wish to destroy our civilization.”

He also made clear that he believed talk of defending “Western Civilization” was really just a racist dog whistle all along.

“We recognize that the West was built by the White Race alone and we owe nothing to any other race,” he wrote."

RawStory eh?? !!
As you say....Looks like they`ve fooled gullible folk !!

The Raw Story
The Raw Story (styled as RawStory and run by Raw Story Media Inc.) is a self-proclaimed progressive Internet news site, featuring redigested clickbait.
Never take a RawStory headline at face value: it is rarely actual fake news, but you will need to de-spin its content.
Content[edit]
RawStory hardly ever has anything like the raw story. Almost all its stories are cribbed from other news outlets, sometimes three or four steps down the chain from any rawness of story. (For example, RawStory has dozens of articles beginning "According to the Intercept"[4] and hundreds citing Right Wing Watch.[5]) Thankfully it usually links the original sources, which a skeptic looking to cite something should use by preference

Outrage porn[edit]
Raw Story tends to favor "outrage porn"

about random individuals, anonymous internet commenters or low-level elected officials acting out or making outlandish statements. Typical headlines include:

• Headline: "‘I voted for Trump!’: White customer demands special privileges in Starbucks meltdown"[6]
• Headline: "Baltimore teacher loses her cool and tells ‘punk-ass n****r’ students they’re ‘gonna get shot’"[7]
• Headline: "Trump fans try to ‘punish’ Starbucks by writing his name on cups — and the internet is cracking up"[8]
• Headline: "Arizona man gives up his firearms after Las Vegas massacre — and now gun nuts want him dead".[9]

 

[Wicky]

Also if There was any widespread dodgy goings on with the election/s it falls under the remit Homeland Security Agency and their department’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.

CISA’s director, Christopher Krebs (Mr. Krebs was nominated for that position by President Trump in February 2018.)

CISA was created out of the former National Protection and Programs Directorate (NPPD) and signed into law by President Trump in late 2018. It is one of the primary federal agencies tasked with assisting state and local officials in bolstering election security.

"I am confident that the work we have done to protect the 2020 election means your vote is secure and you should vote with confidence.”

So if there has been a massive fraud in the election then ultimately its Trump's responsibility!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1325178780722196480

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

The poll supervisors are career public servants and civil servants, not political party hacks. In my experience, and it is extensive, these are very honourable people . They might be viewed as fuddy duddy , but they are not corrupt or political appointees . Their pensions depend on their honesty.
As I said previously, with 150 million votes, if there were not a few errors or omissions or even malice, I would be surprised. Lets see how many of these affadivits survive cross examination.

It is possible that they were acting in good faith. Not realising they were counting dead people’s votes or two votes from the same person etc.

I agree, public servants are generally honest people, but I have found that they end up in public service for a reason, they aren’t very good. They probably wouldn’t hack it in the private sector.

I came across one public sector HR lady who was so incompetent she covered her tracks with dishonesty. She tried it with me after making a mistake. I hounded her for 18 months until she went off sick and later fired for lying and forging documents. I very nearly took the Director of HR down with her, but she had a narrow escape by being invited to retire early.

 

[SirNigel]

Thank you for the above. It is informative. That is exactly why I have huge dislike of non paper ballots. We had such machines purchased for use in Ireland. (Different brand ), they were used in one set of elections, universally disliked, put into storage and scrapped.
I would have no difficulty with optical scanning of completed paper forms. ..as the voting paper is available for recounts.

This type of mail in system was always open to fraud , there`s nothing like the `old fashioned` casting of vote, walk into the voting hall with your ID in hand (photographic ideally) and register in person.

 

[sjpt]

They probably wouldn’t hack it in the private sector.

Most likely they'd be fired for honesty.

 

[Wicky]

RawStory eh?? !!
As you say....Looks like they`ve fooled gullible folk !!

The Raw Story
The Raw Story (styled as RawStory and run by Raw Story Media Inc.) is a self-proclaimed progressive Internet news site, featuring redigested clickbait.
Never take a RawStory headline at face value: it is rarely actual fake news, but you will need to de-spin its content.
Content[edit]
RawStory hardly ever has anything like the raw story. Almost all its stories are cribbed from other news outlets, sometimes three or four steps down the chain from any rawness of story. (For example, RawStory has dozens of articles beginning "According to the Intercept"[4] and hundreds citing Right Wing Watch.[5]) Thankfully it usually links the original sources, which a skeptic looking to cite something should use by preference

Outrage porn[edit]
Raw Story tends to favor "outrage porn"

about random individuals, anonymous internet commenters or low-level elected officials acting out or making outlandish statements. Typical headlines include:

• Headline: "‘I voted for Trump!’: White customer demands special privileges in Starbucks meltdown"[6]
• Headline: "Baltimore teacher loses her cool and tells ‘punk-ass n****r’ students they’re ‘gonna get shot’"[7]
• Headline: "Trump fans try to ‘punish’ Starbucks by writing his name on cups — and the internet is cracking up"[8]
• Headline: "Arizona man gives up his firearms after Las Vegas massacre — and now gun nuts want him dead".[9]

So what's are you disagreeing about Nigel? did the article misquote Kyle Chapman in any way?

Kyle Chapman (American activist) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kyle Chapman (born 1975 or 1976, also known by the nickname Based Stickman, is an American white nationalist and alt-right activist. He earned his nickname and prominence in the alt-right movement after he was recorded beating an anti-fascist counter-protester with a stick at the March 2017 March 4 Trump rally in Berkeley, California. Shortly after, he founded the Fraternal Order of the Alt-Knights (FOAK), a paramilitary group that is considered a partner or subgroup of the far-right, neo-fascist Proud Boys organization. He led the FOAK until later that year, when he faded from his leadership position following an assault conviction related to the March 4 Trump rally. In November 2020, Chapman announced an attempted takeover of the Proud Boys organization, as well as a plan to reform the group as an explicitly white supremacist organization. The attempted coup is not believed to have been successful.

He has described himself as a "Proud American Nationalist" and an "ardent" supporter of Donald Trump.

 

[vfr400]

Brexit preparations not going too well, everyone seems to be blaming someone else.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Transport referred questions to Highways England. A spokeswoman for Highways England said: “We are working with a number of partners to put contingency plans in place.” But she referred questions about toilet facilities for lorry drivers back to the department and to Kent county council.

A Kent county council spokesman said waste clearance was the responsibility of district and borough councils.

Post-Brexit lorry queues could make Kent 'toilet of England'

Campaigners warn that roads and laybys are already littered with urine and excrement

www.theguardian.com

Why do they keep doing this scare-mongering? The key word in that video is "could". We "could" all be wiped out by an asteroid before Brexit happens, so why are they worrying about unlikely traffic jams?

 

[SirNigel]

Electronic voting in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If it wasn`t good enough for Ireland then...

 

[vfr400]

Here's a pretty good summary of where they are up to on the Trump side and what they plan to do moving forward from Giuliani:

 

[Wicky]

DHS is swatting down voter fraud claims Trump’s team is pushing

The agency's “Rumor Control” website — and the official who oversees it — are fact-checking Trumpworld's favored viral conspiracies, putting them at odds with the president.

www.politico.com

“Same as yesterday, Hammer and Scorecard is still a hoax,” he reiterated a day later. “That’s it. That’s the tweet.”

The reality check is the end result of a decision by Krebs, who took over as CISA director in June 2018, to aggressively expand CISA’s partnership with state and local election officials in preparation for the 2018 and 2020 elections, and to make combating disinformation a top priority for the agency. Over two years later, Krebs is one of the few remaining Trump political appointees who has often publicly contradicted the president — while not naming him directly — and managed to keep his job.

“He volunteered to jump on a grenade that no one wanted to jump on,” said former Facebook chief information security officer Alex Stamos, referring to Krebs’ early commitment to making the fight against disinformation a key CISA mandate.