Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Interesting. Just skimmed so far, I will reread more carefully. Also backs up my intuition that the 6 people outside rule was irrelevant (as well as personally inconvenient). burdensome restrictions that fail to achieve substantial mitigation. The U.K.’s recent decision to limit outdoor gatherings to six people while allowing pubs and bars to remain open is just one of many such examples.” And that air conditioning is likely to have an even worse effect that I had thought.

Also the wider issue that average is almost always a very poor measure. Despite being very aware of that I still hand't put 2 and 2 together to associate its deficiencies with R value.

I think I mentioned some weeks (months?) ago that our local hospital had switched off its air conditioning due to Covid-19.

 

[oyster]

The BBC is explaining missing cases like this:

​

UK's 16,000 missing cases 'caused by file size issue'​

For the last two days, the UK has seen extraordinarily high daily recorded figures for confirmed coronavirus cases as Public Health England scrambled to catch up with 15,841 infections which should have been reported last week.​

But how did the delay occur?​

The technical issue to blame was a problem with the maximum file size permitted on the system, according to the PA Media news agency.​

Some files containing positive test results were too large for the system that takes in the results and loads them into central systems, officials told the agency.​

They said that rapid measures have been taken to ensure the issue does not happen again.​

Either the system has astonishingly low file size limits - or the files are astonishingly large! Even ordinary WIndows 10 has a Maximum file size: 256 terabytes. (Far more likely to hit hardware limits!)

In either case, clearly not tested. Just like most of the population.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I agree that the government’s messages, guidelines and examples set by politicians from all parties has been appalling. However, the Conservatives are in power, so they carry all the responsibility.

I don’t have any medical knowledge or skills in predicting how viruses are passed on. However, I’ve picked up enough to know that this virus is highly contagious and it’s airborne. That’s all the information we need to tell us what to do. The rules are for bell-ends to try and find loopholes so that they can grant themselves easements and then go on to catch the virus and kill themselves or a loved one.

Highly infectious and airborne. Therefore people know what you need to do, but they are incapable of doing it. It’s not necessary to hide away, but try to carry out your daily routine in well ventilated environments, like outside. If people go inside into a pub, café , theatre or have a family gathering in their home etc, the probability of catching Coronavirus increases massively. It’s not a difficult thing to understand, even I understand it and I’m especially stupid.

I’m afraid the pub and indoor auditorium environment is dead until this virus is over.

It is one thing for the financially self sufficient to choose not to expose themselves to the virus. It's quite another for keyworkers (edit and others who are not self sufficient) who cant make ends meet and have to put themselves in harm's way to do so in a conservative state that deliberately keep things ambiguous to make that happen

 

[RossG]

That's all very good but you won't get a BAFTA doing it that way .

I've got a DAFTA though very much sought after

 

[oldgroaner]

I've got a DAFTA though very much sought after

They're nowt special any fool who goes to Eton gets one automatically along with their "get out of Jail free lifetime pass"

 

[flecc]

Highly infectious and airborne. Therefore people know what you need to do, but they are incapable of doing it. It’s not necessary to hide away, but try to carry out your daily routine in well ventilated environments, like outside. If people go inside into a pub, café , theatre or have a family gathering in their home etc, the probability of catching Coronavirus increases massively. It’s not a difficult thing to understand, even I understand it and I’m especially stupid.

I’m afraid the pub and indoor auditorium environment is dead until this virus is over.

Although there's some truth in the first paragraph above, the second isn't true.

Over 80% of the population are either immune to Covid-19 or suffer no symptoms from it or so few symptoms that it leaves them barely affected at all. Since those venues have long existed healthily on much smaller fractions of the population, clearly they can continue to regardless of Covid-19's continuation.

That of course is why they've continued to be packed out even in the earliest of highest Covid affected areas like London. Should you doubt this, take note of when Professor Neil Ferguson was interviewed by Professor Jim Al-Khalili on the Life Scientific program a few days ago.

In dismissing herd immunity for the country as a possibility he added that he believed some areas of London have already achieved herd immunity. I believe he is right since it explains the otherwise unexplained in large boroughs like my own that were so severely affected by Covid in the early days of March and April but are now able to shrug off the threat by ignoring almost all the regulations without the scale of ill effects seen elsewhere.

I look with surprise and disbelief at the TV news showing other cities and towns with so many people walking around wearing masks all the time. Here almost no-one is doing that, not even in the shopping areas, usually only slipping on a mask at a shop door if entered and sometimes not even then. And here social distancing is largely ignored.

Of course all this post is support for the balanced Swedish approach which I still see as the better by far. At this point may I ask all the nanny state types not to post figures on infections/deaths etc in Sweden, only for me to ignore them. I ignore them because every approach has a balance of human and economic cost and which is best is a matter of opinion and practicality, not decisive fact.
.

 

[Danidl]

Interesting. Just skimmed so far, I will reread more carefully. Also backs up my intuition that the 6 people outside rule was irrelevant (as well as personally inconvenient). burdensome restrictions that fail to achieve substantial mitigation. The U.K.’s recent decision to limit outdoor gatherings to six people while allowing pubs and bars to remain open is just one of many such examples.” And that air conditioning is likely to have an even worse effect that I had thought.

Also the wider issue that average is almost always a very poor measure. Despite being very aware of that I still hand't put 2 and 2 together to associate its deficiencies with R value.

An excellent article.

 

[oldgroaner]

Sheer genius at work here

I must buy some shares in "Tiger Balm!"
It cures everything , even bronchial ferrets

(though you have to stun them between two bricks as they climb up inside your trousers leg , then rub it on their little chests)

Undoubtedly Covid -19 won't stand a chance
Users who survived the treatment say they preferred to taste to Bleach.

Must write to the Archbishop of Canterbury and ask him if he can't have a quiet word with his boss and ask him if "if it isn't too much trouble could we beg him to go back to his original disciplinary measures please?
We can cope with sea levels rising as we can gets the plans for our own Arks on EBay, and we understood the logic of plagues of flies and locusts etc.,
But really Conservative government is going a bit too far..
It passeth understanding

 

[Danidl]

I agree that the government’s messages, guidelines and examples set by politicians from all parties has been appalling. However, the Conservatives are in power, so they carry all the responsibility.

I don’t have any medical knowledge or skills in predicting how viruses are passed on. However, I’ve picked up enough to know that this virus is highly contagious and it’s airborne. That’s all the information we need to tell us what to do. The rules are for bell-ends to try and find loopholes so that they can grant themselves easements and then go on to catch the virus and kill themselves or a loved one.

Highly infectious and airborne. Therefore people know what you need to do, but they are incapable of doing it. It’s not necessary to hide away, but try to carry out your daily routine in well ventilated environments, like outside. If people go inside into a pub, café , theatre or have a family gathering in their home etc, the probability of catching Coronavirus increases massively. It’s not a difficult thing to understand, even I understand it and I’m especially stupid.

I’m afraid the pub and indoor auditorium environment is dead until this virus is over.

Highly infectious ..maybe
Air borne.. not really . It is part of a continuum from big fat gobules down to minute aerosols, and with infectivity to match. All evidence is that a big blob is much much worse than a tiny blob in ensuring that an infection
Deadly ?... Take your pick. Compared to the Black Death or the Tudors sweating sickness, its in the halfpenny place, compared to a basic flu a lot more serious, probably worse than measles
Insidious??. Oh yes it is in a league of its own. There are very few ,if any, other illnesses, where one is infectious Before one is ill.

But the rest of your posting I agree with. Common sense pays dividends,.

 

[Wicky]

The BBC is explaining missing cases like this:

​

UK's 16,000 missing cases 'caused by file size issue'​

For the last two days, the UK has seen extraordinarily high daily recorded figures for confirmed coronavirus cases as Public Health England scrambled to catch up with 15,841 infections which should have been reported last week.​

But how did the delay occur?​

The technical issue to blame was a problem with the maximum file size permitted on the system, according to the PA Media news agency.​

Some files containing positive test results were too large for the system that takes in the results and loads them into central systems, officials told the agency.​

They said that rapid measures have been taken to ensure the issue does not happen again.​

Either the system has astonishingly low file size limits - or the files are astonishingly large! Even ordinary WIndows 10 has a Maximum file size: 256 terabytes. (Far more likely to hit hardware limits!)

In either case, clearly not tested. Just like most of the population.

Webservers can have limits on uploaded files sizes - often have to alter the setting as by default it can be set to 2MB.

How to Increase File Upload Size in PHP

This article shows how to increase file upload size in PHP and also explains some of PHP’s core directives for handling file uploads as well as POST data.

www.tecmint.com

 

[Woosh]

Air borne.. not really .

scientists should know about the experiments that proved TB was airborne by John Hopkins researchers. They connect the ventilation system of a TB ward to two rooms where the same number of guinea pigs are kept. One room has its ventilation tube irradiated with UV light, the other one does not. On average, 3 guinea pigs contracted TB in a month when the air was not irradiated.
Now you know why wicky suggested to treat Trump with 2kW UV light...

 

[Danidl]

Although there's some truth in the first paragraph above, the second isn't true.

Over 80% of the population are either immune to Covid-19 or suffer no symptoms from it or so few symptoms that it leaves them barely affected at all. Since those venues have long existed healthily on much smaller fractions of the population, clearly they can continue to regardless of Covid-19's continuation.

That of course is why they've continued to be packed out even in the earliest of highest Covid affected areas like London. Should you doubt this, take note of when Professor Neil Ferguson was interviewed by Professor Jim Al-Khalili on the Life Scientific program a few days ago.

In dismissing herd immunity for the country as a possibility he added that he believed some areas of London have already achieved herd immunity. I believe he is right since it explains the otherwise unexplained in large boroughs like my own that were so severely affected by Covid in the early days of March and April but are now able to shrug off the threat by ignoring almost all the regulations without the scale of ill effects seen elsewhere.

I look with surprise and disbelief at the TV news showing other cities and towns with so many people walking around wearing masks all the time. Here almost no-one is doing that, not even in the shopping areas, usually only slipping on a mask at a shop door if entered and sometimes not even then.

Of course all this post is support for the balanced Swedish approach which I still see as the better by far. At this point may I ask all the nanny state types not to post figures on infections/deaths etc in Sweden, only for me to ignore them. I ignore them because every approach has a balance of human and economic cost and which is best is a matter of opinion and practicality, not decisive fact.
.

Flecc, I believe that the assumption that there is herd immunity in parts of London is an illusion and fantasy. What I see from the data on worldometer is exponential growth ,in any location, followed by halts as the population modifies behaviour, .The nett effect is a steady state or slight growth in infections . Then eventually that population gets tired of restrictions and the cycle restarts

 

[Danidl]

scientists should know about the experiments that proved TB was airborne by John Hopkins researchers. They connect the ventilation system of a TB ward to two rooms where the same number of guinea pigs are kept. One room has its ventilation tube irradiated with UV light, the other one does not. On average, 3 guinea pigs contracted TB in a month when the air was not irradiated.
Now you know why wicky suggested to treat Trump with 2kW UV light...

TB is well known to be incredibly long lasting . It is an occupational hazard for historians and librarians

 

[flecc]

Flecc, I believe that the assumption that there is herd immunity in parts of London is an illusion and fantasy. What I see from the data on worldometer is exponential growth ,in any location, followed by halts as the population modifies behaviour, .The nett effect is a steady state or slight growth in infections . Then eventually that population gets tired of restrictions and the cycle restarts

Again you make the same mistake of assuming this population modified behaviour.

I don't know how many times it will take this person on the spot telling you that here they either haven't or that any modification was adverse before you accept it. Perhaps you never will, preferring your own illusion and fantasy to Neil Ferguson's studied opinion.
.

 

[oyster]

Webservers can have limits on uploaded files sizes - often have to alter the setting as by default it can be set to 2MB.

How to Increase File Upload Size in PHP

This article shows how to increase file upload size in PHP and also explains some of PHP’s core directives for handling file uploads as well as POST data.

www.tecmint.com

True. But even a record count at the end of a file would have highlighted that as an issue. Do we assume the file format has absolutely no terminator?

Mind, I agree it surely can't be a fundamental OS limit.

 

[RossG]

They're nowt special any fool who goes to Eton gets one automatically along with their "get out of Jail free lifetime pass"

Got me there og .. that'll teach me to boast

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Highly infectious ..maybe
Air borne.. not really . It is part of a continuum from big fat gobules down to minute aerosols, and with infectivity to match. All evidence is that a big blob is much much worse than a tiny blob in ensuring that an infection
Deadly ?... Take your pick. Compared to the Black Death or the Tudors sweating sickness, its in the halfpenny place, compared to a basic flu a lot more serious, probably worse than measles
Insidious??. Oh yes it is in a league of its own. There are very few ,if any, other illnesses, where one is infectious Before one is ill.

But the rest of your posting I agree with. Common sense pays dividends,.

I find it hard to believe that the virus is not airborne. There are confirmed reports of a single infected person passing on Coronavirus to multiple colleagues on a training day etc. I can’t see how that can happen when safety measures are in place. It’s certainly not happened by the infected person coughing and spitting all over their colleagues. It has to be airborne.

 

[Woosh]

True. But even a record count at the end of a file would have highlighted that as an issue. Do we assume the file format has absolutely no terminator?

Mind, I agree it surely can't be a fundamental OS limit.

They should have known that Baroness D. Harding's department cannot handle more than 2MB a day and there is a good reason why their web server has a limit.

 

[RossG]

Neil Ferguson - yet another pillock who travelled to see someone during lockdown then had to resign from a job as a result ... sigh !

 

[Danidl]

I find it hard to believe that the virus is not airborne. There are confirmed reports of a single infected person passing on Coronavirus to multiple colleagues on a training day etc. I can’t see how that can happen when safety measures are in place. It’s certainly not happened by the infected person coughing and spitting all over their colleagues. It has to be airborne.

Unfortunately you are correct ..there is a continuum from the big blobs,which fall rapidly down to ground and are highly charged to the tiny particles which travel long distances and remain suspended in the air for extended periods. They travel with air currents , Brownian motion ,and standard diffusion models. While they are not highly charged with viruses, enough of them and sufficient duration will do the damage. This is why Nurses have been disproportionately affected.. especially those near patients on respirators which are very powerful nebulisers.