Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

scientists should know about the experiments that proved TB was airborne by John Hopkins researchers. They connect the ventilation system of a TB ward to two rooms where the same number of guinea pigs are kept. One room has its ventilation tube irradiated with UV light, the other one does not. On average, 3 guinea pigs contracted TB in a month when the air was not irradiated.
Now you know why wicky suggested to treat Trump with 2kW UV light...

A 4 year experiment - fun fact > only guinea pigs can cough and sneeze

Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Protecting Health, Saving Lives—Millions at a Time

www.jhsph.edu

I think there's some speedier research happening electrically levitating the virus in different experimental conditions.

UK scientists begin study of how long Covid can survive in the air

Researchers will test length of time virus stays infectious in different climatic conditions

www.theguardian.com

 

[flecc]

It's odd how you can type something into the forum then change your mind and it remembers what you typed six hours earlier even if you shut it down ... spooky or in our case spokey.

You have to post it, then immediately delete it for it to be gone for good.
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[Wicky]

True. But even a record count at the end of a file would have highlighted that as an issue. Do we assume the file format has absolutely no terminator?

Mind, I agree it surely can't be a fundamental OS limit.

Again it all depends who and what they were doing with file - transferring it between servers

For instance on websites I run there are components to show xls file data show as nicely formatted tables on webpages from uploaded files - Possibly there was a script doing something similar i.e. the moving around of files and no one monitoring in real time what was happening when it failed to a coded hard limit. But we don't know the systems involved only that it was bloated xls file bunging things up.

 

[RossG]

Apparently Trump describes the effect we're talking about as " herd mentality " in that case we're all immune on here

 

[oldgroaner]

While we are not on the subject of "Passeth all understanding"
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Boris Johnson mistakenly tells public they can get '£500-per-week' self-isolation payment in latest Covid gaffe

When in fact it is for the full 14 days

But what a cracking gift, eh?
Go of sick for a fortnight and get £500?

This could prove more expensive than Brexit!

 

[oldgroaner]

This qualifies as my favourite tweet of today
Tom Peck@tompeck

A little bit of history there as Ian Botham becomes, to the very best of my knowledge, the first member of the House of Lords to have accidentally tweeted a picture of their own cock.

Or maybe this one is even better

Libby Wilson #FBPE@libdavmor
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I didn’t think it was true, when I first heard a few months back. I now think Google is a terrible thing. Once seen, this image stays with you, and, frankly, has put me off saveloys for good.


Shame fingers didn't spot this at the time to confirm the image hadn't been augmented in any way!

 

[oyster]

Again it all depends who and what they were doing with file - transferring it between servers

For instance on websites I run there are components to show xls file data show as nicely formatted tables on webpages from uploaded files - Possibly there was a script doing something similar i.e. the moving around of files and no one monitoring in real time what was happening when it failed to a coded hard limit. But we don't know the systems involved only that it was bloated xls file bunging things up.

Apparently, a CSV opened in, or imported into, Excel. Hitting the row limit and the remaining lines just being dropped.

As I said before, an end of file marker, or record count record, (used sensibly) would have picked that up. More or less 1970s batch data processing fundamentals.

 

[Woosh]

I think there's some speedier research happening electrically levitating the virus in different experimental conditions.

[URL unfurl=]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/uk-scientists-begin-study-of-how-long-covid-can-survive-in-the-air[/URL]

that's a very interesting article.

US researchers have estimated that Sars-CoV-2 has an aerosol half-life of 1.1-1.2 hours
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Here, they have seen a large drop in infectivity within the first 10 minutes of the virus being suspended. “We’ve also seen that at 10C, this mouse virus survives a lot longer than at warmer temperatures,” Haddrell says.

I was puzzled why Vietnam has such a low number of Covid deaths and confirmed cases. I can see the lack of closed spaces and high temperature play a big role.

 

[oldgroaner]

 

[oldgroaner]

Interesting FT article
https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751?segmentID=0052c4bc-c54e-19c6-b165-8800c56b8254
Less than half UK population to receive coronavirus vaccine, says task force head

Pretty much the same as the normal Flu vaccine, first sensible thing they have proposed

 

[oyster]

Interesting FT article
https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751?segmentID=0052c4bc-c54e-19c6-b165-8800c56b8254
Less than half UK population to receive coronavirus vaccine, says task force head

Pretty much the same as the normal Flu vaccine, first sensible thing they have proposed

Sounds like a way of countering those who would refuse a vaccine. Ya Booh - you wouldn't be offered one anyway!

 

[Wicky]

And in other news - Easter comes early...

 

[Woosh]

Of course all this post is support for the balanced Swedish approach which I still see as the better by far. At this point may I ask all the nanny state types not to post figures on infections/deaths etc in Sweden, only for me to ignore them. I ignore them because every approach has a balance of human and economic cost and which is best is a matter of opinion and practicality, not decisive fact.
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it's too soon to let old people die.
Wait at least another year, we'll halve the death rate then may be...

 

[flecc]

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Wait at least another year, we'll halve the death rate then may be...

The operative words being may be,

As I posted, this is a matter of opinion and practicality and I am convinced we've made all the wrong choices, I firmly believe the Swedish approach was far better.

It may not have been the best but it was the best I know of for our circumstances. Time will tell.
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[oyster]

When I first heard the name, I thought ProudBoys sounded, well, gay. Obviously, I soon realised how wrong I was.

And I seem not to be the only one to think that!

LGBT Twitter users tease far-right group by taking over Proud Boys hashtag

• Images of gay life posted under #ProudBoys hashtag
• Actor George Takei: ‘I bet it would mess them up real bad’

Miranda Bryant in New York
Mon 5 Oct 2020 17.04 BST Last modified on Mon 5 Oct 2020 21.32 BST



A tweet featuring a Canadian forces sailor kissing his partner using the the Proud Boys hashtag. Photograph:Canadian Forces/Reuters
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/05/proud-boys-hashtag-lgbt-twitter-users

 

[Fingers]

"If people go inside into a pub, café , theatre or have a family gathering in their home etc, the probability of catching Coronavirus increases massively. It’s not a difficult thing to understand"



First stick to what I posted, It does add up in London, I've no idea what the position is elsewhere. And I did not say no symptoms for the 20%, I split them into three groups with only one group of unstated size with no symptoms.

What I posted does exist already for the great majority of London, only two of the 29 London Boroughs differing substantially and only one of them a large borough.
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In regards to symptoms you may be wrong.

its probably nearer 10%. 770 students from Northumbria university tested positive for covid yet only 75 showed any symptons.

Roughly the same in Liverpool university too.

I was in oxford street today. Its very sparse. I can’t see the independent shops lasting much longer if the lock down increases.

 

[flecc]

it's too soon to let old people die.

I don't agree.

Life expectancy at birth for a male has increased from 65.7 years in 1920 to 89.4 years in 2020, 36% in 100 years. That is so far out of synch with evolution it's ridiculous, so there is a cost and this is it:

Healthy life expectancy has also increased, but not as much as life expectancy, so more years are spent in poor health. Although an English male could expect to live 79.6 years in 2016–18, his average healthy life expectancy was only 63.4 years – ie, he would have spent 16.2 of those years (20 per cent) in ‘not good’ health. And although females live an average of 3.6 years longer than males, much of that time is spent in poor health – they experience only 0.5 more years of good health than men. Rates of disability-free life expectancy are similar to those for healthy life expectancy.

A fifth or more of one's life spent in poor health and increasing risk of disability is a questionable advance, in my opinion making one a victim of the survival instinct which compels one's drive to continue life, regardless of its advisability.

We are on the wrong path of disease treatment advancement, thinking we are only extending lifespan when in fact we are also greatly extending ill-health life span. That needs to change to disease avoidance advancement by the extension of good health life span at the cost of disease treatment advancement. Achieving this is of course as much societal advancement as medical science.
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[jonathan.agnew]

The operative words being may be,

As I posted, this is a matter of opinion and practicality and I am convinced we've made all the wrong choices, I firmly believe the Swedish approach was far better.

It may not have been the best but it was the best I know of for our circumstances. Time will tell.
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I'm not sure life and death is that relative, that much a matter of practicality and opinion. There's article 25 of the universal declaration of human rights. Beyond that there is I think something fundamental about prioritising care for the vulnerable over cost that's about living in a community; relationship and fraternity being as the french may say key to life.

 

[flecc]

In regards to symptoms you may be wrong.

its probably nearer 10%. 770 students from Northumbria university tested positive for covid yet only 75 showed any symptons.

I did divide the 20% into three segments in my original post, not giving their sizes, with one of them being "showing no symptoms".

So I agree 10% is likely, but I was being kind to the opposition who can't bear the idea that Covid-19 is not the big deal it's being made out to be.
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[flecc]

I'm not sure life and death is that relative, that much a matter of practicality and opinion. There's article 25 of the universal declaration of human rights. Beyond that there is I think something fundamental about prioritising care for the vulnerable over cost that's about living in a community; relationship and fraternity being as the french may say key to life.

The Inuit would have disagreed, for them it really was about practicality and opinion.
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