Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Just did a quick estimate, and I reckon if we work with cheap materials, we could just about fill half of the potholes in public roads with £5 Billion
One of the oddities of living in this neck of the woods is that our roads are generally pretty good. The council do get people out to fix holes. Mends are (at least, mostly) done to a reasonable standard.

I was used to seeing holes filled, a slap of black stuff, and re-appear within days, especially if it rained a bit.

During lockdown, several projects have been done with some absolutely excellent surfacing work. Just one back road - which happens to go to our recycling centre - now has some of the smoothest, quietest surfacing I have ever driven on.
 

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I know May does not exactly love Johnson, but she has refrained rather - until now:

Theresa May says UK's new national security adviser has 'no proven expertise'
Former prime minister adds to outcry over David Frost’s appointment
Theresa May has launched a forthright attack upon Boris Johnson’s government for the appointment of the EU negotiator David Frost as the UK’s national security adviser.

The former prime minister accused the Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove of promoting someone “with no proven expertise” to a crucial role at the heart of the UK’s safety.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/30/theresa-may-says-david-frost-uks-new-national-security-adviser-has-no-proven-expertise
They showed this bit of interaction on the news, when Gove replied to TM she just grinned at him and kept shaking her head as he said Frost is the man for the job. I love it when the rats start tearing bits out of each other for a change :)
 

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I was used to seeing holes filled, a slap of black stuff, and re-appear within days, especially if it rained a bit.
A year or so ago the government got tough on this with councils after they'd woke up to pointlessness of them filling the same holes every winter and then yelling for more money next time. Since then higher repair standards have become more common and some civil contractors have been specialising in the work,

The main improvements I've seen have been clearing the hole of loose materials, then preparing it with a liquid tar to give a bonding surface right out to the edges, then finally adding the tar and tamping it well down to give a level surface bonding right to the edges. Some then add more liquid tar all round the seam to proof against water entry. These do seem to make the repair last well so far.
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A year or so ago the government got tough on this with councils after they'd woke up to pointlessness of them filling the same holes every winter and then yelling for more money next time. Since then higher repair standards have become more common and some civil contractors have been specialising in the work,

The main improvements I've seen have been clearing the hole of loose materials, then preparing it with a liquid tar to give a bonding surface right out to the edges, then finally adding the tar and tamping it well down to give a level surface bonding right to the edges. Some then add more liquid tar all round the seam to proof against water entry. These do seem to make the repair last well so far.
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This will please Woosh, but the best road patching,I have come across is in France. the offending piece is squared off, and then patched in such a way that it is fully screened, and leveled ,so that years later it still holds it camber and there is no discernible bumps.
 

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This will please Woosh, but the best road patching,I have come across is in France. the offending piece is squared off, and then patched in such a way that it is fully screened, and leveled ,so that years later it still holds it camber and there is no discernible bumps.

This is also being done occasionally here now, one even in the cul de sac outside where I live, but it's not common. That was done by a contractor to the council.
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A year or so ago the government got tough on this with councils after they'd woke up to pointlessness of them filling the same holes every winter and then yelling for more money next time. Since then higher repair standards have become more common and some civil contractors have been specialising in the work,

The main improvements I've seen have been clearing the hole of loose materials, then preparing it with a liquid tar to give a bonding surface right out to the edges, then finally adding the tar and tamping it well down to give a level surface bonding right to the edges. Some then add more liquid tar all round the seam to proof against water entry. These do seem to make the repair last well so far.
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These aren't "improvements" they have always been required under the Specification for Highway Works (SHW).
The improvement probably comes from somebody pointing out to the contractor what they are supposed to do, but by your description they are still sadly lacking.
In a previous life I was a manager in a local authority Direct Labour Organisation (DLO), a council owned contractor.
We trained people to Level 2 SVQ/NVQ in Highway Works and they knew all aspects of roadworks including how to patch roads in accordance with the SHW.
I don't think any of our local councils operate roads DLOs of any scale (the one I worked for had almost 300 employees) everything now going to private contractors.
When I see some of the private contractors out patching today I wonder what training they have had, if any, there also seems to be a lack of supervision from the client authorities which allows the cowboys to do what they want.
 
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oyster

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A year or so ago the government got tough on this with councils after they'd woke up to pointlessness of them filling the same holes every winter and then yelling for more money next time. Since then higher repair standards have become more common and some civil contractors have been specialising in the work,

The main improvements I've seen have been clearing the hole of loose materials, then preparing it with a liquid tar to give a bonding surface right out to the edges, then finally adding the tar and tamping it well down to give a level surface bonding right to the edges. Some then add more liquid tar all round the seam to proof against water entry. These do seem to make the repair last well so far.
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About time too. It was so obvious that was what was happening.
 

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An interesting take from Walesonline (generally a horrible site but occasionally has a story worth reading).

Parts of Wales have the highest levels of coronavirus in the UK - but that's because England isn't counting properly
Public health experts also say that the high levels of cases being found in Wales also show the test, track and trace programme is working

Yet an investigation by the Financial Times has revealed this is largely because England has been publishing the wrong data.

Its reporters have shown that the figures being published for the English council areas "contain only a fraction of the real total in those areas".

England is only including the results of one type of test in the data it is publishing for local authorities - the number of positive tests recorded in hospitals.

In its rolling total for each local authority, Wales includes both the results of these tests (called pillar one) results but also the results of tests done in commercial labs and at home (so called pillar two).

In the last two months, the vast majority of the tests done in England have been in pillar two - yet they haven't been counted in the local data.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-wrexham-cases-spike-north-18513005

For me, the FT story appears here - but is inaccessible:

https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a
 
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You're invited, but bear in mind if coming from England you may have to quarantine.
It would be nice if you turned up in your country's national dress, if it has one.
Our national dress is a polyester shell suit and counterfeit trainers for the gentlemen, leggings and crop top for the grossly overweight ladies. You have no idea what you are missing.
 

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a lack of supervision from the client authorities which allows the cowboys to do what they want.
Absolutely. The authority is probably so pinched it can't afford suitable supervision, so pays even more for repeat work.
 
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Pillar 1: swab testing in PHE labs & NHS hospitals for those with clinical need, and health & care workers Pillar 2: swab testing for wider population, as set out in government guidance Pillar 3: serology testing to show if people have Covid-19 antibodies.

 

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Michel Barnier just told the UK financial sector businesses operating in the EU to pack their bags.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/speech-barnier-eurofi-30062020_en.pdf

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they will have to set up shop in Dublin or Amsterdam.
The loss of tax revenue to the UK will make you want to cry.

Furthermore, as you know well, in some areas – such as insurance, commercial bank lending or deposit-taking – EU law does not provide for the possibility to award equivalences that would grant market access to third-country firms. In these areas, if British firms want to provide services in the EU, they must ask for an authorisation in the EU. Or comply with all the relevant national regimes of those EU Member States where they want to continue to be active. Nothing in the agreement that we are negotiating will change this! These are automatic, mechanical consequences of Brexit.
 
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flecc

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they will have to set up shop in Dublin or Amsterdam.
The loss of tax revenue to the UK will make you want to cry.
We are currently on course to repeat the 1950s and '60s when we went bankrupt as a nation. Then the corrective actions in the 1970s were to join the fledgling EU and call in the IMF to run the economy for us while our government stayed in the background as a puppet.

The "autonomy" that being independent had achieved.

Of course losing autonomy to those bodies then brought us back to a fair degree of economic health and brought a return to mass production manufacturing, albeit for other nations.

Sooner or later we are going to have to rejoin the rest of the world at the cost of autonomy, leaving history to record how futile our attempt at total independence has been.
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maybe the real change was at the beginning of the 2010s. The rise of popularism, and Brexit is a consequence of popularism. Social media has made it easy for politicians wanting to attract the mobile phone generation who like instant results (like swipe left to delete what you don't like, buy now pay later).
It's much easier to be listened to when you say 'be in control' because that implies they have no obligation to do anything or solve any problem immediately, they'll get it sorted later when they are in control. Whereas membership means bills to pay and not many like that.
 
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