Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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But not with tomato ketchup. Eggs - OK. Ketchup (or pretty much any tomato) - OK. Eggs + tomato = disgusting.
Careful now.. my weekday egg is just a simple boiled one. Saturday is two poached eggs , and a dollop of ketchup , Sunday is scrambled eggs with garden fresh parsley. ..And no. The ketchup works very well.
 

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BORIS Johnson has given the EU three months to confirm a trade deal as negotiations are underway in Brussels.
Today is the deadline for the UK to decide whether it wants an extension to the transition period. It looks like we are heading for a no deal brexit.
Johnson's waving the fish but who is listening beside hardcore brexiters?
I can't see what the EU is going to offer up for British fish.
At the end of the day, fish will be caught and sold at the same places.
With hindsight, I wonder if the result of the 2016 referendum would have been the same if we knew what we know now.
It's still not too late for UK to join EFTA.
I am heading for France this weekend.
By the way, I am looking for someone to take over my job.
 
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oyster

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Leicester seems to be a bit of a repeat performance. Late lockdown. Information not being sent out. No-one knows what is happening. Even legal basis not established. You might have thought preparations for ending lockdown would have included planning for more local flare-ups - they were mentioned repeatedly.

Mayor: 'Leicester should have gone into new lockdown earlier'
Leicester mayor Sir Peter Soulsby has suggested the new lockdown in the city should have been brought in much sooner.

He told BBC Breakfast:

The Secretary of State (Matt Hancock) announced that he believed there was an outbreak in Leicester the best part of two weeks ago.

Since then, we’ve been struggling to get information from them (the government) about what data they had, what led them to believe there was a particular problem here, and struggling to get them to keep the level of testing in Leicester.
He added he has been trying “for weeks” to access data on the level of testing in the city and was only given access last Thursday.

When asked whether a local lockdown should have been brought in earlier, he said:

If as seems to be the case, the figures suggest there are issues in the city, I would wish that they had shared that with us right from the start, and I wish they had taken a more speedy decision rather than leaving it 11 days from the Secretary of State’s first announcement...

That’s a long gap, and a long time for the virus to spread.


There again, we need to look at who is "managing" this whole thing.
 
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Johnson's waving the fish but who is listening beside hardcore brexiters?
I can't see what the EU is going to offer up for British fish.
At the end of the day, fish will be caught and sold at the same places.
Indeed, and the silliest thing of all about out position on fish is that we don't and can't eat all we catch. We have to sell most of it to EU countries. The dog in the manger fable springs to mind.

With hindsight, I wonder if the result of the 2016 referendum would have been the same if we knew what we know now.
It's still not too late for UK to join EFTA.
No, there result would have been Remain. Polls indicated it swung that way very firmly within a year following the vote. It's why so many were campaigning for a check referendum before taking the plunge.

EFTA? I think that would need the agreement of the other EFTA members, and I wouldn't bank on that after the ways we've been behaving recently.
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EFTA is a good way out in a couple of years after we try no deal brexit.
The Express did a poll a few days ago. The question was: what would you sacrifice to trade with the EU? 2000 of their readers answered.
4% would give fish
2% would accept level playing field
1% would concede on security
The rest is totally convinced that we hold all the cards.

So fish is easy to give in on. 4% is not much but a start.
I am amazed that only 2% would accept level playing field.
Are they nuts? the EU is an economic fortress, they would give our companies hell without a guarantee of level playing field to sell to them.
 
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Penfold strikes again



How can it be that Danger Mouse's dumb assistant is dumb enough to stick his little sticky nose it when and where it doesn't belong?
I suspect the usefulness of that letter will be entirely dependent on the thickness of the paper it is printed on and it's ability to be rolled up very tightly so that Francois can shove it up his arse.
 

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EFTA? I think that would need the agreement of the other EFTA members, and I wouldn't bank on that after the ways we've been behaving recently.
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While the UK's behaviour may play a part the biggest problem would be the imbalance created by adding a member with 60 million population to an organisation whose combined population of existing members is only around 15 million.
How long before the "world beating" UK would have to be top dog?
The existing EFTA members have shown little enthusiasm for the UK becoming a member.
 

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I watched BJ on TV just now, delivering his rambling speech on 'project speed'.
For a moment, I was puzzled if Covid did not get to his brain.
He muddled a lot. Mixing past mistakes from previous governments since 2008 with his own exaggerations.
He spoke up the 'might' of UK treasury that delivered the furlough scheme to a third of UK workforce while avoided to mention that same mighty treasury borrowed twice as much as the amount needed for the furlough.
He wanted to create an enthusiasm magic potion so that each and everyone of us can have a swig.
At the end of the day, he confirmed that £900 millions are made available for 'showel ready' projects. That's about £15 per person.
The man is so full of hot air.
 

Woosh

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While the UK's behaviour may play a part the biggest problem
The EU forecast right from the start that we were either in or out, meaning hard brexit is the only possible outcome.
They know that their economy is more important to us than ours to them because of their size. It's like trying to do a deal with China or india.
Our fault is to accept that there are possibilities for a middle way, somewhere between full membership and WTO rules and voted accordingly in 2016.
 

oldgroaner

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I watched BJ on TV just now, delivering his rambling speech on 'project speed'.
For a moment, I was puzzled if Covid did not get to his brain.
He muddled a lot. Mixing past mistakes from previous governments since 2008 with his own exaggerations.
He spoke up the 'might' of UK treasury that delivered the furlough scheme to a third of UK workforce while avoided to mention that same mighty treasury borrowed twice as much as the amount needed for the furlough.
He wanted to create an enthusiasm magic potion so that each and everyone of us can have a swig.
At the end of the day, he confirmed that £900 millions are made available for 'showel ready' projects. That's about £15 per person.
The man is so full of hot air.
I rather liked this tweeted asessment about the £5 Billion
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Simon Bailey-Travers


Two billion of it is funding that is already in place, two and a half billion is funding that we previously slashed and are now restoring, and three hundred thousand and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand is because we let Priti run the figures.
:D
 

oyster

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I know May does not exactly love Johnson, but she has refrained rather - until now:

Theresa May says UK's new national security adviser has 'no proven expertise'
Former prime minister adds to outcry over David Frost’s appointment
Theresa May has launched a forthright attack upon Boris Johnson’s government for the appointment of the EU negotiator David Frost as the UK’s national security adviser.

The former prime minister accused the Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove of promoting someone “with no proven expertise” to a crucial role at the heart of the UK’s safety.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/30/theresa-may-says-david-frost-uks-new-national-security-adviser-has-no-proven-expertise
 

oldgroaner

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Just did a quick estimate, and I reckon if we work with cheap materials, we could just about fill half of the potholes in public roads with £5 Billion
 
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