Brexit, for once some facts.

[tommie]

..you CAN be prosecuted for going to work, that is the entire point of the lockdown and the list of essential occupations and functions.

FAO Danidl - see para 6. (2) (f) - anything else from the Gov., Police etc is only `advisory`. ROI of course is different.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020

These Regulations require the closure of businesses selling food or drink for consumption on the premises, and businesses listed in Part 2 of Schedule 2, to protect against the risks to public health arising from coronavirus, except for limited permitted uses. Restrictions are imposed on...

www.legislation.gov.uk

Statutory Instruments
2020 No. 350

Public Health, England
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
Restrictions on movement
6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

(f)to travel for the purposes of work or to provide voluntary or charitable services, where it is not reasonably possible for that person to work, or to provide those services, from the place where they are living;

 

[Danidl]

You`re wrong Dan - you CAN`T be prosecuted under the present/any legislation for going to work. This was in fact what Farage was doing in his role as journalist/presenter.

If you think otherwise please direct us to the applicable part.


*waits*

HMG Corona virus act 2020 schedule 22. ... General provisions seems to cover it

 

[Wicky]

If I was employed by a national radio station to present and broadcast an article about a topic concerning Dover, I could legitimately drive to Dover for the purposes of gathering information pertaining to that radio show. What I describe is precisely what Farage has done, therefore no offence has been committed. The police have not prosecuted, which backs up my statement.

I will await Tilson’s response.

Mmmm Self apppointed key worker *clap clap* Farage gave a rundown on the weather (calm seas) and, Nelson like, pointed at boats in the far distance - Pett Level Beach in East Sussex he visted a week or so beforehand was also empty. Video is viewable on his Facebook page not LBC.

As I've got a website blog and a youtube channel next time its a nice day I'll go for a nice long journalistic investigation...

Odd then that he did a video on May 2 "let us pick fruit' investigating 'obstacles faced by British workers applying for work on British farms' that be farmers out (not) to get true blue British he opined - all from the comfort of home without the need to trudge outdoors in muddy fields.

 

[oldgroaner]

Wow, 13!

If the Covid-19 death rate rises much more, we'll be influential.
.

Mass media in fact!

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

HMG Corona virus act 2020 schedule 22. ... General provisions seems to cover it

‘You have misread it, confused yourself and got it wrong.

 

[oyster]

‘You have misread it, confused yourself and got it wrong.

Don't think there is much he can achieve that he couldn't do from home. So he should WFH.

 

[Danidl]

If I was employed by a national radio station to present and broadcast an article about a topic concerning Dover, I could legitimately drive to Dover for the purposes of gathering information pertaining to that radio show. What I describe is precisely what Farage has done, therefore no offence has been committed. The police have not prosecuted, which backs up my statement.

I will await Tilson’s response.

Perhaps it might be more interesting to see how many new long distance journeys this "journalist " takes in the near future. The local police may well have given him "friendly" advice.
Along the lines of engage, explain, encourage and if necessary enforce (The Lockdown )

 

[Danidl]

Early dates for CV19. Other than I know the lad involved , I would not report it .. But a friend of my son, who now lives on Jersey ,was in a phone conversation with my son today. He was in Singapore in November last, and recalls that he had a very violent flu on return. He describes it graphically as being potentially the same as people now attribute to CV19. Eg. Using the humidity of a hot shower to assist breathing Now he would be a very fit 36 year old, sailing type without underlying health issues. . There are plans to antibody test residents of Jersey ,and if there are updates I will inform.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Perhaps it might be more interesting to see how many new long distance journeys this "journalist " takes in the near future. The local police may well have given him "friendly" advice.
Along the lines of engage, explain, encourage and if necessary enforce (The Lockdown )

The police won’t have done that because his trip to Dover was concerned with a permitted form of employment under the lockdown rules.

 

[oyster]

Last night, there was a piece about Dwr Cymru (Welsh Water) and CoV-SARS-2 in sewage.

They claimed that all waste in Wales (that they are responsible for) is UV treated so should not be a problem.

Issues which concern me are:
Aerosol from raw sewage - such as could occur at treatment plants.
Discharge of raw sewage which still occurs around the UK in times of heavy rain, etc.
Flooding.

Seems time of year is in our favour at present.

Presence and vitality of SARS-CoV-2 virus in wastewaters and rivers
Abstract
Wastewater-based epidemiology has been proposed to monitor the diffusion and trend of SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. In the present study, raw and treated samples from three wastewater treatment plants, and two river samples characterized the Milano Metropolitan Area, Italy, were surveyed for SARS-CoV-2 RNA positivity to real time PCR and infectiveness. Moreover, whole genome sequencing and phylogenetic analysis of isolated strains was performed. Raw wastewater samples resulted positive to PCR amplification, while treated water samples were always negative (four and two samples, respectively, sampled in two dates). Moreover, the rate of positivity in raw wastewater samples decreased after eight days, in congruence with the epidemiological trend estimated for the interested provinces. Virus infectiveness was always not significant, indicating the effectiveness of wastewater treatments, or the natural decay of viral vitality, which implied the absence of significant risk of infection from wastewaters. Samples from receiving rivers (two sites, sampled in the same dates as wastewaters) showed in some cases a positivity to PCR amplification, probably due to non-treated discharges, or the combined sewage overflows. Nevertheless, also for rivers vitality was negligible, indicating the absence of sanitary risks. Phylogenetic analysis of genome indicated that the isolated virus belongs to the most spread strain present in Europe and similar to another strain found in Lombardy.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20086009v1

 

[daveboy]

Not that I am aware. Deaf people are allowed to drive, without restriction.

Correct... You don't even have to inform the DVLA unless you drive a HGV or Coach.

 

[oldgroaner]

Rarely is such a result seen in medicine



Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19
That may point towards a way of treating it
economist.com
oldgroaner

@oldgroaner

Replying to
@TheEconomist
For protection from Covid 19 Give everyone a packet of fags? I've heard everything now!

oldgroaner

@oldgroaner
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Was the article sponsored by Imperial Tobacco?

 

[oyster]

From the "Let's see what everyone else in the world is doing and do it differently" department.

Coronavirus: New NHS contact-tracing app vulnerable to ‘malicious false alerts’, warn experts

Individuals could send out false alerts causing people to self-isolate unnecessarily and hackers could generate ‘proximity events’
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The UK is thought to be the only country in the world allowing people to self-report symptoms, rather than using Covid-19 test results. In other nations, such as Australia, positive tests are confirmed by officials before those who have come into contact with sufferers are alerted.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-app-nhs-contact-tracing-cyber-attack-hack-a9500401.html

ADDED:

UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal
Herd immunity all over again
Updated Britain is sleepwalking into another coronavirus blunder by failing to listen to global consensus and expert analysis with the release of the NHS COVID-19 contact-tracking app.

On Monday, the UK government explained in depth and in clearly written language how its iOS and Android smartphone application – undergoing trials in the Isle of Wight – will work, and why it is a better solution to the one by Apple and Google that other nations have decided to adopt. It has also released a more technical explanation.

Unfortunately for folks in UK, while the explanation is coherent, calm, well-reasoned and plausible, it is likely to be a repeat of the disastrous "herd immunity" approach the government initially backed as a way to explain why it didn't need to go into a national lockdown. That policy was also well-reasoned and well-explained by a small number of very competent doctors and scientists who just happened to be wrong
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/05/uk_coronavirus_app/

 

[oldgroaner]

1h
Strange... The Mirror, Independent and Guardian all lead with the UK's death toll being Europe's worst. The Sun, Telegraph and Express all lead with an assortment of dead cats. I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked.


Replying to @16MillionRising
oldgroaner@oldgroaner

It's clearly a sign that even they are struggling with their new objective; to convince the public that the sudden vast increase in sales of coffins is a Brexit Bonus

 

[oldgroaner]

Didn' we do well to come top of the league?

Watch out America, you have incoming on your six!

 

[oyster]

1h
Strange... The Mirror, Independent and Guardian all lead with the UK's death toll being Europe's worst. The Sun, Telegraph and Express all lead with an assortment of dead cats. I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked.


Replying to @16MillionRising
oldgroaner@oldgroaner

It's clearly a sign that even they are struggling with their new objective; to convince the public that the sudden vast increase in sales of coffins is a Brexit Bonus

Could it be they are all bargain-basement chipboard/cardboard jobbies?

No-one will see so no point paying for real wood, hours of polishing and solid brass handles when there's no-one to admire it. Volume up - but value down.

 

[oldgroaner]

Could it be they are all bargain-basement chipboard/cardboard jobbies?

No-one will see so no point paying for real wood, hours of polishing and solid brass handles when there's no-one to admire it. Volume up - but value down.

Triple wall corrugated board coffins will enjoy a new vogue

 

[oldgroaner]

From the New EUropean
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PM and Dominic Cummings use messaging service that permanently deletes texts
10m
PM and Dominic Cummings use messaging service that permanently deletes texts https://theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/pm-and-tory-figures-install-signal-app-that-permanently-deletes-texts-the-sun-1-6639776?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons…
oldgroaner @oldgroaner
It's a technique knows an "Implausible deniability" and the thought strikes it can't be very effective if this has come to light, can it? In this day and age are they really dumb enough to imagine themselves safe? what a pair of idiots!
But then we knew that already



Replying to @TheNewEuropean

 

[oyster]

Rarely is such a result seen in medicine

Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19
That may point towards a way of treating it
economist.com
oldgroaner
@oldgroaner

Replying to
@TheEconomist
For protection from Covid 19 Give everyone a packet of fags? I've heard everything now!

oldgroaner
@oldgroaner
·
1m

Replying to
@oldgroaner
and
@TheEconomist
Was the article sponsored by Imperial Tobacco?

Might reduce likelihood of catching it, but once infected, have a worse prognosis.

Very difficult to see an optimum point.

 

[oyster]

From the New EUropean
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PM and Dominic Cummings use messaging service that permanently deletes texts
10m
PM and Dominic Cummings use messaging service that permanently deletes texts https://theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/pm-and-tory-figures-install-signal-app-that-permanently-deletes-texts-the-sun-1-6639776?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons…
oldgroaner @oldgroaner
It's a technique knows an "Implausible deniability" and the thought strikes it can't be very effective if this has come to light, can it? In this day and age are they really dumb enough to imagine themselves safe? what a pair of idiots!
But then we knew that already



Replying to @TheNewEuropean

Questionable whether that is legal. Tantamount to shredding.