Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19
That may point towards a way of treating it
economist.com

Not that rare, smokers did often appear to have more protection against colds and flu.

My own experiences reflect that, I started smoking at 11 years old and was a very heavy smoker up to my 50th year when I abruptly gave up the 60 plus a day habit. Through all those years I didn't know what a cold or 'flu was, but within a couple of years I started suffering both and colds like the one I have now are quite regular.

It seems viruses, like our bodies, don't like the pollution from smoking.
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[Danidl]

The police won’t have done that because his trip to Dover was concerned with a permitted form of employment under the lockdown rules.

As I said .. lets see what happens into the future.

 

[oyster]

Not that rare, smokers did often appear to have more protection against colds and flu.

My own experiences reflect that, I started smoking at 11 years old and was a very heavy smoker up to my 50th year when I abruptly gave up the 60 plus a day habit. Through all those years I didn't know what a cold or 'flu was, but within a couple of years I started suffering both and colds like the one I have now are quite regular.

It seems viruses, like our bodies, don't like the pollution from smoking.
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Interesting that nicotinamide (and other medicines/vitamins such as B12 and propylthiouracil) are being investigated regarding their potential to help covid-19 treatment.

Nicotine and related/derived compounds have long had complex relationships which might just affect how viruses can take hold.

 

[Woosh]

It seems viruses, like our bodies, don't like the pollution from smoking.

cigarette smoke, wood smoke are acidic.
that breaks their capsid and promote autocleavage.
Maybe our ancestors living in caves were protected by wood burning.

 

[flecc]

Interesting that nicotinamide (and other medicines/vitamins such as B12 and propylthiouracil) are being investigated regarding their potential to help covid-19 treatment.

Nicotine and related/derived compounds have long had complex relationships which might just affect how viruses can take hold.

It could result that vaping to get nicotine is protective, without the cancer risks of tar pollution from tobacco.
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[oyster]

It could result that vaping to get nicotine is protective, without the cancer risks of tar pollution.
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Up to a point. The inhalation of hot vapours (whatever they are) is questionable. Some vapers seem to have suffered directly from that.

The middle eastern hookahs address that...

 

[sjpt]

cigarette smoke, wood smoke are acidic.
that breaks their capsid and promote autocleavage.
Maybe our ancestors living in caves were protected by wood burning.

Better swallow sulphuric acid then, or would you recommend hydrochloric as better. Or maybe I'd better ask Trump to get a reliable answer.

 

[Nev]

Trying to encapsulate the main reasons for UK's appalling CV performance. My order is for deaths caused:

1. refusal to apply lockdown and social distancing until long after it was obviously sensible.

I think this will prove to have been the major mistake. It was known or at least strongly suspected that this virus was doubling the infection rate in as little as three days. When something is that contagious then if we had gone to lock down just a week earlier (many experts were suggesting this at the time), it would have made a big difference.

If we had locked down two weeks earlier (again people were suggesting this too), then I think that would have resulted in the UK being towards the bottom of the death rate in Europe instead of at the top.

Some of the old Eastern Block Countries were worried that their health systems would be completely over-run, they introduced stringent lockdowns before they had any or very few virus cases.

This has turned out (so far anyway) to have been the correct strategy, they could not afford to take any risks or listen to know it all behavioural scientists they just closed everything down.

It would appear our behavioural scientists persuaded the government that if we locked down to early then the public would quickly lose patience and would start to flout the rules in a very short period of time. I suspect that this thinking was completely wrong, most people are not stupid (note I said most not all), they could see what was happening in Italy and would have complied with an early lock down.

If we had locked down two weeks earlier used track and trace effectively then we would be in a much better position now. Too much time and energy has been expended on grand schemes (BJ loves the big schemes), instead of boasting about us having the best this and the best that in the world we should have been cracking on with simple ideas that less wealthy countries were doing successfully.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

As I said .. lets see what happens into the future.

I can save you the wait my friend, nothing is going to happen because no offence was committed.

 

[Woosh]

if we lockdown first then track and trace then test then quarantine in that order, we can limit/could have limited the damage.
Instead, we do everything so late, well after the opportunity has gone.
Now the virus is everywhere - there is no need to pinpoint clusters.
Just go straight to any supermarket or post office and test people there.

 

[oldgroaner]

Not that rare, smokers did often appear to have more protection against colds and flu.

My own experiences reflect that, I started smoking at 11 years old and was a very heavy smoker up to my 50th year when I abruptly gave up the 60 plus a day habit. Through all those years I didn't know what a cold or 'flu was, but within a couple of years I started suffering both and colds like the one I have now are quite regular.

It seems viruses, like our bodies, don't like the pollution from smoking.
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By jove flecc I think you've got it!
When people catch the virus the answer is
We gently kipper them, and the good point is you don't need a tracing app afterwards
(Unless they approach upwind)

 

[oldgroaner]

if we lockdown first then track and trace then test then quarantine in that order, we can limit/could have limited the damage.
Instead, we do everything so late, well after the opportunity has gone.
Now the virus is everywhere - there is no need to pinpoint clusters.
Just go straight to any supermarket or post office and test people there.

Why not cut out the middle man and just assume we've all got it?

 

[Woosh]

Better swallow sulphuric acid then, or would you recommend hydrochloric as better. Or maybe I'd better ask Trump to get a reliable answer.

you need to bring pH to about 5.5 to kill the virus in the upper respiratory track.
Smokers are just lucky this time.

 

[oldgroaner]

Just received this text message

This is a message from Dr Raut Partnership. A clinical trial exploring treatment for the COVID-19 virus is taking place. If you experience a new or worsening continuous cough and/or a high temperature and have had it for less than 14 days and are not starting to feel better, please go to https://sentry.phc.ox.ac.uk/sentry/principle/live/survey/open?id=screening&sc=RAU to find out more. Please call the Trial Team if you have any questions or do not have access to online systems: 0800 138 0880 or 01482 478970 for the local team.

Amazing, someone has remembered we exist, and there is actually something positive going on locally
Has anyone else been contacted with a similar message?

 

[oldgroaner]

One of the benefits of the internet is when politicians delete tweets like this one

The silly beggars think it's gone for good!

 

[flecc]

By jove flecc I think you've got it!
When people catch the virus the answer is
We gently kipper them, and the good point is you don't need a tracing app afterwards
(Unless they approach upwind)

Too late. Smoking only appeared to offer some protection against catching the viruses.

Once a virus takes hold as 'flu in a regular smoker the outcome tends to be much worse.

So it's gamble on the outcome. Perhaps vaping could be the best option, the smoking protection advantage without the associated risks.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

Why not cut out the middle man and just assume we've all got it?

That has been my policy since the happy bus arrived with all those smiling waving passengers on their way to the pretend quarantine centre. If you wait for the government to protect you, you’ll end up Borised ie on life support.

 

[oyster]

If we had

... advised wearing masks. Still as relevant as ever. Still pretty much as un-recommended.

 

[Danidl]

Even at this late stage the UK has about the lowest ratio of tests in any advanced nation. That is your major failing. The materials to do a test cost less than an Nespresso coffee.

 

[flecc]

Back on March 12th I reported that I was suffering from a streaming nose and some associate symptoms and wondering if there was any Covid-19 connection or whether it was just a cold, albeit a bit extreme.

Well it's back again since last night and even more extreme, the output from my nostrils needing a bucket more than a handkerchief and often stopping me doing anything to tend to it.

Not remotely like any cold I've ever had, the only other symptom is a slight headache but my temperature is normal.
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