Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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You are a ridiculous man who get nearly everything wrong. You are not employed as a reporter / talk show host on a national radio station. Nigel Farage is employed in this capacity by LBC, a national radio station. It is his job to research topics, present his findings on air and to then discuss / debate them with members of the public who phone in to his show. Farage was in Dover to gather information about illegal immigration for a forthcoming show. He had legitimate business in Dover in the same way as any other reporter has business with other news topics.

Try to get something right one day will you.
As I said he can attempt to use that as a defence in court. That is the proper location.
And yes my comparison was deliberately ridiculous.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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As I said he can attempt to use that as a defence in court. That is the proper location.
And yes my comparison was deliberately ridiculous.
No, you are being very stupid and very wrong. The law doesn’t work like that, it’s the prosecution’s job to prove that he was acting outside the law, not Farage’s job to prove otherwise.

If Farage was prosecute, then every other reporter in the land would need prosecuting too, because they travel away from home to report on matters as well.

Please, for the sake of us all, try and get something right, just once.
 

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Not that I am aware. Deaf people are allowed to drive, without restriction.
It makes sense, the enclosure within a vehicle and the noise of the vehicle in combination can easily reach or exceed the sound masking of headphones.

Throw in the car radio or ICE and a driver can effectively be deaf to the outside word.
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Rhinolophus affinis (horseshoe bat) Indian subcontinent, southern and central China and Southeast Asia and Manis javanica (pangolins) imported into Guangdong province contain coronaviruses similar to SARS-CoV-2. Both animals not common I'd guess in France.
SARS-COV-2 is not found in them.
SARS-COV-1 is and some 20 years ago.
Samples of SARS-COV-1 in bats have been circulated all over the world since 2006.

This article was published inn 2006. 14 years ago.

Bats have been identified as a natural reservoir for an increasing number of emerging zoonotic viruses, including henipaviruses and variants of rabies viruses. Recently, we and another group independently identified several horseshoe bat species (genus Rhinolophus) as the reservoir host for a large number of viruses that have a close genetic relationship with the coronavirus associated with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Our current research focused on the identification of the reservoir species for the progenitor virus of the SARS coronaviruses responsible for outbreaks during 2002–2003 and 2003–2004. In addition to SARS-like coronaviruses, many other novel bat coronaviruses, which belong to groups 1 and 2 of the 3 existing coronavirus groups, have been detected by PCR. The discovery of bat SARS-like coronaviruses and the great genetic diversity of coronaviruses in bats have shed new light on the origin and transmission of SARS coronaviruses.
I am not defending China, just point out that there is not yet smoking gun. I still think that the virus is man made because of the 12 nucleotides added to the monobasic cleavage site in SARS-COV 1 compared to SARS-COV 2 making the latter 10-50 times more infectious.
 
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oldgroaner

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He’s a radio talk show host / reporter and commentates on current issues happening around the country. He was gathering information about illegal immigration at the hotspot of Dover. He is allowed to travel as part of his job, so no prosecution is necessary. Just sayin’
He has a spot on a Radio show and that's it, so has no need to make videos does he?
I do thousands more "Journalistic" observations (see I can lie like a Tory when I have to) on this Forum than that piece of human garbage racist has in his entire life.
And I would get done by the Police if I tried to come the old soldier like he has
Book the beggar!
 

Danidl

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Then by your logic, we should prosecute all reporters and media presenters and let them argue their case for being in a particular area to report on a particular issue in court.
As usual your ability to be habitually wrong about most things persists.
Yes... . Your logic is flawed by the fact that essential means essential. And regrettably the proof is in the death figures.
 

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Not that I am aware. Deaf people are allowed to drive, without restriction.
Deaf people are allowed to drive, I concur (at least in the UK).

But driving with headphones is one of those things that could be illegal if it is deemed that they would, or were likely to, affect your driving.
 

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Trying to encapsulate the main reasons for UK's appalling CV performance. My order is for deaths caused:
  1. refusal to apply lockdown and social distancing until long after it was obviously sensible
  2. very low levels of test/trace
  3. people ignoring lockdown and social distancing
  4. lack of PPE (and failure to engage with the problem until much too late)
  5. obfuscating facts (when we were lucky) and lying by the government
4: Lack of PPE is very important because it unnecessarily and disproportionately hit carers, but I suspect that the actual number of deaths it caused was lower than factors 1,2,3.

5: has been extremely irritating, but I don't think it has actually directly led to many deaths.
 

Danidl

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Yes... . Your logic is flawed by the fact that essential means essential. And regrettably the proof is in the death figures.
As OG has pointed out the logic of videoing a radio program, lacks something. Also they invented something called the telephone which makes physical travel unnecessary in some instances
 

Barry Shittpeas

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He has a spot on a Radio show and that's it, so has no need to make videos does he?
I do thousands more "Journalistic" observations (see I can lie like a Tory when I have to) on this Forum than that piece of human garbage racist has in his entire life.
And I would get done by the Police if I tried to come the old soldier like he has
Book the beggar!
You aren’t employed to present information and debate it, Farage is, it’s his job. He was doing his job, you can’t be prosecuted for going to work. You might not like it because it’s Farage, but that’s the way it rolls.
 

Danidl

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No, you are being very stupid and very wrong. The law doesn’t work like that, it’s the prosecution’s job to prove that he was acting outside the law, not Farage’s job to prove otherwise.

If Farage was prosecute, then every other reporter in the land would need prosecuting too, because they travel away from home to report on matters as well.

Please, for the sake of us all, try and get something right, just once.
Really. My understanding of the law was that the police identify when a law has been breached. They then prosecute directly or in more serious cases, present a file to a public prosecutor office who determines whether.
1. There is an answerable case to be made
2. Whether it is in the public interest to proceed to prosecution.
Then the individual is requested to attend court , failure to attend, will mean summary judgement
And a Judge or in more serious cases a Jury makes a judgement... For Judge you may substitute Magistrate as appropriate.
Now in this case he was a long distance from his habitual residence. So potential infringement. Was his one of the listed occupations ( potentially yes), and was he in possession of a declaration from his employer that it was an essential service which required his presence . Note the employer can be either the MD, the company secretary or the HR department acting on the instructions of the company secretary.
I know these things because my daughter has such a letter applicable in the UK.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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Yes... . Your logic is flawed by the fact that essential means essential. And regrettably the proof is in the death figures.
Journalism, reporting and radio presenting has not been shut down. Turn on your wireless and telly and have a good listen and a good look at just how wrong you are, yet again:rolleyes:
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Really. My understanding of the law was that the police identify when a law has been breached. They then prosecute directly or in more serious cases, present a file to a public prosecutor office who determines whether.
1. There is an answerable case to be made
2. Whether it is in the public interest to proceed to prosecution.
Then the individual is requested to attend court , failure to attend, will mean summary judgement
And a Judge or in more serious cases a Jury makes a judgement... For Judge you may substitute Magistrate as appropriate.
Now in this case he was a long distance from his habitual residence. So potential infringement. Was his one of the listed occupations ,and was he in possession of a declaration from his employer that it was an essential service. ?.
The fact that the police have not prosecuted him is testament to how very wrong you are. There is no case for Farage to answer, it only exists in your mind of wrongness. He was on legitimate business concerning his paid employment as a presenter of information that he researches. This is a professional which the government has allowed to continue during lockdown.
 

Danidl

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You aren’t employed to present information and debate it, Farage is, it’s his job. He was doing his job, you can’t be prosecuted for going to work. You might not like it because it’s Farage, but that’s the way it rolls.
..you CAN be prosecuted for going to work, that is the entire point of the lockdown and the list of essential occupations and functions.
Again , slight correction ,I was employed for 35 years to present information and debate it, but I am now retired.
Yes I don't like Farage, and I would be delighted to see him get his just rewards ,
 

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..you CAN be prosecuted for going to work, that is the entire point of the lockdown and the list of essential occupations and functions.
Again , slight correction ,I was employed for 35 years to present information and debate it, but I am now retired.
Yes I don't like Farage, and I would be delighted to see him get his just rewards ,
You`re wrong Dan - you CAN`T be prosecuted under the present/any legislation for going to work. This was in fact what Farage was doing in his role as journalist/presenter.

If you think otherwise please direct us to the applicable part.


*waits*
 

oldgroaner

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The fact that the police have not prosecuted him is testament to how very wrong you are. There is no case for Farage to answer, it only exists in your mind of wrongness. He was on legitimate business concerning his paid employment as a presenter of information that he researches. This is a professional which the government has allowed to continue during lockdown.
He has no legitimate business when he can work from home otherwise his excuse could be applied by any and all of us
 
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