Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

The question is, who is telling the truth?
Nissan drafts plan to double down on UK under hard Brexit according to the FT

Or this
"Nissan drafts plan or Downing St drafts plan? Even before you read that Nissan has denied the plan the idea that they'd pull out of a 445m market with which they have a FTA to focus on a market of 67m is pure Vote Leave.
This is their actual response

The Propaganda campaign is now even more blatant than before the General Election
hidden in the article are the words "only an option"

 

[oldgroaner]

You seem to suggest that once we are out of the EU, standards will plummet. The point I’m making is that there is nothing stopping them plummeting now, the French have done it very successfully, they eat garbage. For that reason I see no reason to worry about post EU food standards in this country.

So how without lowering food standards is Boris going to get a deal with America?
Sorry but that post is completely wrong , Boris has every reason to drop standards, hasn't he?

 

[oldgroaner]

I think this is one of the problems concerning cultural differences within the EU. Generally, when it comes to rules, the U.K. can be relied upon to play with a straight bat. This is not the case in many other EU countries. The French for example are widely regarded as treacherous. The were found guilty of breaching EU law over the refusal to import of British beef after the BSE situation had been resolved. Motor cycle helmets and other such legislation is widely ignored in southern Mediterranean countries. Italy refuses to adopt easements and benefits for homosexuals. We, the British, tend to adopt things more readily.

You are forgetting that this country chose not to apply the right to remain rules to immigrants, and there are other cases of agreed EU laws being broken on imports.
We are no better than anyone else in that respect, but like to pretend we are.

 

[vfr400]

that depends on how the output is measured.
If the output is measured in GB Pound, then inflation of 2% will artificially boost the output by 2% per annum without any improvement to their market value.
If the output is measured in goods or a basket of currency or UN defined purchasing power against previous year, then it is a more realistic measure.
My guess is our government would prefer measuring output in Pound, to boost their own morale.
We are usually conned by our own government.

They use an internationally standardised method so that UK data can be compared with other countries.

As we all know, anybody who is collecting, processing and publishing data can adjust parameters to show what they want. The only thing you have to ask is how far you can trust them. On balance, I'd say that I would trust the ONS much more than The Guardian.

Whatever they say, they all seem to agree that productivity is increasing. We know that unemployment is lower than it's been since the '70s, so there's nothing to get enraged about. In three years time, you can read all these posts from the doom-mongers and have a right laugh, just like we do now about what was said in 2016. As I said in another post, look back at the posts from 2016 and see how silly they look now.

 

[Woosh]

Whatever they say, they all seem to agree that productivity is increasing.

it's not difficult for a largely service based economy like ours, just ask your wife how much she spends at the hairdressers.

 

[Woosh]

In three years time, you can read all these posts from the doom-mongers and have a right laugh, just like we do now about what was said in 2016. As I said in another post, look back at the posts from 2016 and see how silly they look now.

brexit will almost certainly adversely affect those who work in manufacturing (2.6 millions, easily 10% are at risk of losing their job) and food sector .
I reckon at the moment, we may have 54/46 for remain, in 3 years, that would be like 58/42 for remain after job losses in the manufacturing sector mounts up.
Large scale projects like HS2 may help rebalancing the economy but we would still see damage caused by changing jobs for substantial number of people.

 

[vfr400]

.... post #4020 for instance.

 

[vfr400]

brexit will almost certainly adversely affect those who work in manufacturing (2.6 millions, easily 10% are at risk of losing their job) and food sector .
I reckon at the moment, we may have 54/46 for remain, in 3 years, that would be like 60/40 for remain after job losses in the manufacturing sector mounts up.

This is just your opinion. My opinion is that you're completely wrong in both of those statements.

Just about all the people I know that voted remain, including myself, are very happy that we have now left the EU, and we look forward to a very bright future. We will never rejoin in our lifetimes, so no point in thinking or talking about it.

 

[Woosh]

I nearly voted for leave because I don't like the idea of a US of E, but I can see the good that has been produced by the EU project, especially their stabilising effect on the economy.
I see the harm done by tory's dogma on austerity but I also see the benefit of tough love of universal credit on some of people who work with me.
Yes, it's my opinion and I don't believe in the tories ever since Kenneth Clarke was sidelined. They are going to sell out what's left of this country to their billionaire friends.

 

[Woosh]

Look at the list of conservative leaders for all my time in the UK:

- Margaret Thatcher
- John Major
- William Hague
- Ian Duncan Smith
- Michael Howard
- David Cameron
- Theresa May
- Boris Johnson

Which one do you think deserve this country?

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

You are forgetting that this country chose not to apply the right to remain rules to immigrants, and there are other cases of agreed EU laws being broken on imports.
We are no better than anyone else in that respect, but like to pretend we are.

Which import rules have we broken? What was the sanction imposed for the breech?

Wasn’t the choice not to apply right to remain legislation just that, a legitimate choice? Which EU law did that break and what was the sanction?

 

[Woosh]

Which import rules have we broken? What was the sanction imposed for the breech?

Brussels demands UK pay €2.7 billion in lost customs duties

Customs fraud case is a massive embarrassment to the UK as it seeks to cast itself as reliable partner in EU trade talks.

www.politico.eu

As for sanction, the EU demands 2 billion Euros.
Loss to our own HMRC is even higher.

Chinese importers do same with e-bike kits.
Batteries imported as next to nothing on invoices, no VAT.

 

[vfr400]

Look at the list of conservative leaders for all my time in the UK:

- Margaret Thatcher
- John Major
- William Hague
- Ian Duncan Smith
- Michael Howard
- David Cameron
- Theresa May
- Boris Johnson

Which one do you think deserve this country?

You can say the same about all the leaders of all the political parties in that time. The problem is the global elites, who control all these people. Trump and Nigel will save us as long as we help them to do it. They, no doubt, represent new global elites, hopefully with more sensible agendas. Boris might be a good guy, but I've got a feeling that the Conservative party are also puppets of those backroom elites. It depends on whether he decides to make a break for it and join the new wave.

 

[Woosh]

Trump and Nigel will save us as long as we help them to do it. They, no doubt, represent new global elites, hopefully with more sensible agendas.

Trump's version of elites consists of his billionaire friends.
His idea is the world is better run if left to free market forces.
Nigel goes for smaller fish but essentially believes in the same thing: private health care, private schooling, give up on foreign aid and privatisation.

It's fine if you own (lots of) properties.

 

[vfr400]

Trump's version of elites consists of his billionaire friends.
His idea is the world is better run if left to free market forces.
Nigel goes for smaller fish but essentially believes in the same thing: private health care, private schooling, give up on foreign aid and privatisation.

It's fine if you own (lots of) properties.

I don't think these guys had loads of properties:

• Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
• More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
• We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
• Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
• Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
• New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
• Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
• African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
• Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
• Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
• Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
• Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
• The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
• 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
• Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
• Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
• As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
• Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
• Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
• Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
• Record number of regulations eliminated.
• Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
• Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
• My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
• Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
• We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
• Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
• Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
• We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
• Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
• Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
• United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
• Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
• Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
• Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
• NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
• Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
• Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
• Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
• Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
• Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
• Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
• Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
• Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
• Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
• Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
• Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
• Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
• Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
• We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Brussels demands UK pay €2.7 billion in lost customs duties

Customs fraud case is a massive embarrassment to the UK as it seeks to cast itself as reliable partner in EU trade talks.

www.politico.eu

As for sanction, the EU demands 2 billion Euros.
Loss to our own HMRC is even higher.

Chinese importers do same with e-bike kits.
Batteries imported as next to nothing on invoices, no VAT.

Point take, but the UK has been a victim of fraud, rather than embarking on a calculated act intended to defraud the EU. Yes, you can argue that the UK should have taken stronger measures to protect itself from such fraud, but nonetheless, it is a fraud against the UK.

 

[flecc]

Boris might be a good guy, but I've got a feeling that the Conservative party are also puppets of those backroom elites. It depends on whether he decides to make a break for it and join the new wave.

Much of what you say is true, but I don't see Boris Johnson making a break to anything like Farage or Trump positions. Boris is all about self interest and always has been, so I think it unlikely he will risk stepping outside of the establishment puppet land.
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[oldgroaner]

This is just your opinion. My opinion is that you're completely wrong in both of those statements.

Just about all the people I know that voted remain, including myself, are very happy that we have now left the EU, and we look forward to a very bright future. We will never rejoin in our lifetimes, so no point in thinking or talking about it.

Nuts

 

[oldgroaner]

Point take, but the UK has been a victim of fraud, rather than embarking on a calculated act intended to defraud the EU. Yes, you can argue that the UK should have taken stronger measures to protect itself from such fraud, but nonetheless, it is a fraud against the UK.

Of you fail to impose customs that Is government fraud not fraud against the UK Hence the threat of fines which Are imposed because of lack of responsibilityOn the part of the government

 

[Woosh]

Almost 4 million jobs created since election.

Comparing Obama's last 29 months against Trump's 29 months, Obama created 6.4 millions jobs (221,000 on average a month) versus Trump 5.6 millions, averaging 194,000 a month.
Obama created more jobs than Trump, and under tougher conditions too, because Obama needed more tax income.
What is certain, rich people pay comparatively less tax under Trump's than under Obama's administration.
That's even before you look at the social impact of Obama care plan.
As I said, Trump's elites are his billionaires friends.