Correct, it will be the sovereign people of Scotland who will have a referendum if they so wish.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Abbreviations and acronyms are the bane of my life. In another persona, I help a health forum. The use of them is so bad I have (slowly) built up a document of them - to help newcomers. Keep trying to encourage avoidance but it falls on deaf ears. (Mind, when people are feeling desperately ill, it is understandably the last thing they are going to think about.)
Would that be the same Raab who only fairly recently found out that Great Britain is an island?I was watching Raab on Sky saying that Barnier is wrong over customs checks, he is under the illusion that we have a deal already agreed.
I wonder why no one is pointing out in the media that no such deal exists?
For a little while i wondered if the Government would be wise enough to avoid public posturing over the attempts to get a sensible FTA
Unfortunately Boris or rather Cummings is too stupid to employ wisdom, it's a case of having to prove how macho they are and how weak and spiteful the EU are behaving for the benefit of the Leave voters.
Not a good start Boris, it will lead to embarrassing reverses of policy in short order and damage to the credibility of the government with industry and any country we want to negotiate an FTA with.
Here by the way is chapter and verse from the withdrawal agreement
Hannan sytikes again in the Telegraph
Optimism is suddenly in the air – and even Remainers are starting to feel it
This man couldn't aspire to be an idiot even after the long apprenticeship he's had.
Another example of the malady that affected Saddam's information minister.
He seems to live in a world of his own, seeing "Remainer optimism" at Farages Brexit bash?
Optimism is suddenly in the air – and even Remainers are starting to feel it
This man couldn't aspire to be an idiot even after the long apprenticeship he's had.
Another example of the malady that affected Saddam's information minister.
He seems to live in a world of his own, seeing "Remainer optimism" at Farages Brexit bash?
Brexit couldn't have come at a worse time
UK productivity slowdown worst since Industrial Revolution – study
Not a good time to start, boris
UK productivity slowdown worst since Industrial Revolution – study
Not a good time to start, boris
According to the Independent
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Brexit: UK will resist ‘EU rules on social and environmental protections’ in trade talks, Boris Johnson says
Until they hand him his backside and he does his usual failure to keep his promise.
I don't know why he keeps up this lying and squirming, he has already agreed to these conditions in the WA.
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Brexit: UK will resist ‘EU rules on social and environmental protections’ in trade talks, Boris Johnson says
Until they hand him his backside and he does his usual failure to keep his promise.
I don't know why he keeps up this lying and squirming, he has already agreed to these conditions in the WA.
that was then.
Now it's time to manage expectation.
Just where was the pledge to stuff up the enironment even further?
Poor hedgehogs didn't vote for brexit. Nor did nesting birds.
Loss of EU protections could imperil UK hedgehogs, report says
New rules do not contain same level of safeguards as under common agricultural policy
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/03/loss-of-eu-protections-could-imperil-uk-hedgehogs-report-says-aoe
From same story, we should place implicit trust in Defra spokespeople. Though it is difficult to see how a civil servant can make such (apparent) commitments.
A Defra spokesperson said: “We will continue to be a world leader on the environment as we leave the EU and both the agriculture bill and the environment bill are a crucial part of that.
“We will not lower the exceptionally high environmental standards we already hold. In fact, leaving the EU means we can transform British agriculture to reward farmers for enhancing the environment, tackling climate change and protecting our wildlife for future generations.”
It's been said before but one of the reasons that people wanted out of the the EU was because the UK followed the rules and other countries just ignored them. I was talking to a Pig farmer last week from Southern Ireland and he said the UK and Ireland are the only places where pork meets the EU standard. (a quick google seems to confirm this) yet you can still buy pork in all the other countries. Again it seems that if the rest of the EU doesn't like a rule they just ignore it.
‘I’ve said before that French supermarket food is definitely sub-standard by comparison to U.K. standards. I’ve visited many regions of France and their food is poor. In many cases I’d class it as being the unsold stuff that Aldi throw out. Food bank goods. It’s a million miles from ours.
If France and other EU nations are getting away with ignoring EU regulations, the UK. could have dropped to the French standard at any time, but didn’t. That’s why I don’t have too much concern over future food standards. The EU would be best served aspiring to the bar that we set.
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Did anyone from the UK put in complaints that others were not following the rules?
I prescribe a double dose of lactulose, that should clear his memory blockage on previous agreements, and actually guarantee positive motions from Boris.
Hardly when the Government here didn't apply the rules to immigrants when it suited them, did they?
Very droll!
What standards we have set are you referring to?
All the ones we have are EU, so what you are actually saying is the EU standards are not being adhered to by the French
We don't have any other than the EU standards.
That makes the EU standards de facto the ones to stick with
We didn't "Set the bar" we agreed it along with the other member states
Nice circular argument you lost with yourself there.
Fun to watch too.
I think this is one of the problems concerning cultural differences within the EU. Generally, when it comes to rules, the U.K. can be relied upon to play with a straight bat. This is not the case in many other EU countries. The French for example are widely regarded as treacherous. The were found guilty of breaching EU law over the refusal to import of British beef after the BSE situation had been resolved. Motor cycle helmets and other such legislation is widely ignored in southern Mediterranean countries. Italy refuses to adopt easements and benefits for homosexuals. We, the British, tend to adopt things more readily.
Read the words carefully. Your BDS is colouring your vision. I'll give you some help. "The slowdown in Britain’s productivity growth". That's not a slowdown in productivity, neither is it a slowdown in production. It's a slowdown in growth of productivity, which means that productivity is still growing.
Productivity is not production. Productivity is the output per person. If more people do the same work, productivity goes down. If the growth in productivity is going down, it probably means that more people are being employed in new projects rather than using machines, which is a good thing if you support the workers. What happened in the last couple of years is that employers suspended investment in new equipment because of uncertainty. Instead, they employed more people because that's a more flexible solution. Now that Brexit is becoming settled, you will see a huge growth in investment, and productivity will grow fast again.
Let's now summarise:
Our workers are more productive than last year, and there's nothing to say that that trend won't continue. Production must still be increasing because we can assume that they couldn't find any evidence of production going down, otherwise they would have concentrated on that rather than productivity.
As it's the Guardian, it means that they had to search through a whole load of papers and reports to find the one that suited their narrative. Even then, they couldn't find one with any actual bad news, so they had to carefully choose and arrange the words in their article to con the unthinking into believing that things are worse than they are, just to enrage them. You fell for it!
If you search other papers, you should be able to find ones that say that productivity growth is increasing, which might make you feel a bit better. This one from the OND should be a bit more trustworthy than anything you see in The Guardian, and it shows a more realistic picture of what's going on. If you look at the data, you will see that productivity growth in the last quarter is the biggest it's been since 2012.
Labour productivity - Office for National Statistics
Efficiency of the UK workforce, including output per worker, per job and per hour. Data are available by industry and by region.
www.ons.gov.uk
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You seem to suggest that once we are out of the EU, standards will plummet. The point I’m making is that there is nothing stopping them plummeting now, the French have done it very successfully, they eat garbage. For that reason I see no reason to worry about post EU food standards in this country.Very droll!
What standards we have set are you referring to?
All the ones we have are EU, so what you are actually saying is the EU standards are not being adhered to by the French
We don't have any other than the EU standards.
That makes the EU standards de facto the ones to stick with
We didn't "Set the bar" we agreed it along with the other member states
Nice circular argument you lost with yourself there.
Fun to watch too.
are you sure?
Taking tools/machinery off a worker to lower his/her productivity is good for him or her?
that depends on how the output is measured.
If the output is measured in GB Pound, then inflation of 2% will artificially boost the output by 2% per annum without any improvement to their market value.
If the output is measured in goods or a basket of currency or UN defined purchasing power against previous year, then it is a more realistic measure.
My guess is our government would prefer measuring output in Pound, to boost their own morale.
We are usually conned by our own government.