Brexit, for once some facts.

[OxygenJames]

Two snags with this.

First is how the USA has become the most successful country in the world by continuous unfettered immigration.

Second is how London is so successful and socially well integrated compared to the regions, due to doing the same.

Both have no majority of any one original group, we are all minorities which is why in both countries we work so successfully together. But in both we also keep our original identities and cultures in parallel while also enjoying the variety of each others, giving the lie to the concerns of the regions.

The fact that the two, London and the USA, have diametrically opposing politics shows that politics has nothing to do with their relative successes, which are largely down to immigration and integration.
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Too many new cultures/people arriving up north did it. London is used to that. They were not in Hartlepool etc. Places that saw the percentage of white caucasians fall from 90% to below 80% in a few years. Too fast for any effective integration.

 

[OxygenJames]

Interesting stat - from YouGov.

35% of Remainers would not be happy if their daughter or son brought home a partner who voted leave.

The figure for Leave parents? (bringing home somebody who voted remain): 11%

 

[OxygenJames]

Two snags with this.

First is how the USA has become the most successful country in the world by continuous unfettered immigration.

Second is how London is so successful and socially well integrated compared to the regions, due to doing the same.

Both have no majority of any one original group, we are all minorities which is why in both countries we work so successfully together. But in both we also keep our original identities and cultures in parallel while also enjoying the variety of each others, giving the lie to the concerns of the regions.

The fact that the two, London and the USA, have diametrically opposing politics shows that politics has nothing to do with their relative successes, which are largely down to immigration and integration.
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The popularism we are seeing at the moment is driven by cultural insecurity - economic insecurity is secondary (though significant and important).

Labour can not address the cultural insecurity because they're pushing for more liberal policies - they only attempt to address the economic insecurity which on its own simply isn't a vote winner.

 

[flecc]

Too many new cultures and people up north did it. London is used to that. They were not in Hartlepool etc. Places that saw the percentage of white caucasians fall from 90% to below 80% in a few years. Too fast for any effective integration.

That drop was miniscule. Yes they didn't like it, but that was mainly due to naked racism and still is, plus their conservatism and resistance to any change.

Our change in London was far more drastic over the same period of time. From being overwhelmingly the majority, we white British born London residents are now a minority of little over 40% and there are no majorities. The main reason it's worked here is because it was self curing, largely getting rid of racism. Many of the racists we did have migrated away, many ironically to abroad, most of the rest have died in keeping with their obsolete attitudes.

Integration due to large scale immigration is only too fast for the racist extremists who whip up trouble, as the north has so often demonstrated.
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[flecc]

Interesting stat - from YouGov.

35% of Remainers would not be happy if their daughter or son brought home a partner who voted leave.

The figure for Leave parents? (bringing home somebody who voted remain): 11%

Proving once more how right Remainers are and how uncertain of their position Leavers are.

Well done YouGov.
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[OxygenJames]

Two snags with this.

First is how the USA has become the most successful country in the world by continuous unfettered immigration.

And something Trump won millions of votes from - by pushing back against.

'Build the wall' resonated with many ordinary people.

 

[flecc]

The popularism we are seeing at the moment is driven by cultural insecurity - economic insecurity is secondary (though significant and important).

Labour can not address the cultural insecurity because they're pushing for more liberal policies - they only attempt to address the economic insecurity which on its own simply isn't a vote winner.

Demonstrably nonsense.

As I've just shown in this post, London has had by far the largest and fastest change, but once again has overwhelming voted Labour.
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[oldgroaner]

Ofcourse getting into power for you and current Labour is a waste of time.

Until things change, yes.

 

[oldgroaner]

Interesting stat - from YouGov.

35% of Remainers would not be happy if their daughter or son brought home a partner who voted leave.

The figure for Leave parents? (bringing home somebody who voted remain): 11%

Rewriting history is well under way as anticipated, got any other gems like that?

 

[oldgroaner]

The popularism we are seeing at the moment is driven by cultural insecurity - economic insecurity is secondary (though significant and important).

Labour can not address the cultural insecurity because they're pushing for more liberal policies - they only attempt to address the economic insecurity which on its own simply isn't a vote winner.

Since when did you care, having ridden on this antipathy to swindle into power is there suddenly going to be a sea change of a more liberal attitude from the Conservatives?
Not till they've held a closing down sale, eh? and made America great again at our expense.

 

[oldgroaner]

I wonder why the party that wanted to surrender to Hitler is still waging this patriotism thing?
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In the Telegraph
The Labour Party's patriotism problem goes back much further than Jeremy Corbyn
DOUGLAS MURRAY
Hilarious, that Churchill had to turn to the Labour party for support to stop us surrendering to Hitler and there was the famous Lord Rothermere and his "let's hear it for the Blackshirts".
And some Tory pillock comes up with this.
I wonder why now the election is over they feel threatened enough to do so?

 

[flecc]

'Build the wall' resonated with many ordinary people.

Many racist people, at most the half who voted for Trump.
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[50Hertz]

As I've just shown in this post, London has had by far the largest and fastest change, but once again has overwhelming voted Labour.
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Hooray! Come to London and get stabbed.

No thanks, I like it where I live.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well, Nigel Farage isn’t going to be enrolled into the same honours scheme as Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall, Fred Goodwin and Philip Green. I wonder how he’s feeling about that.

Financially a lot worse off

 

[flecc]

Hooray! Come to London and get stabbed.

No thanks, I like it where I live.

This nonsense again. London has no greater incidence of stabbing than anywhere else in proportion to population.

As I've pointed out before with links, there are worse areas, the West Midlands in particular where the problem is far greater.

Like virtually all my over 10 million fellow Londoners, I'm perfectly safe in this respect. It's only a tiny number of the young who chose to live a very risky and often criminal lifestyle who are at risk.
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[OxygenJames]

Demonstrably nonsense.

As I've just shown in this post, London has had by far the largest and fastest change, but once again has overwhelming voted Labour.
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Watch the video I sent in - or read Matt Goodwin's latest book - then come back and tell me what you think.

 

[flecc]

Watch the video I sent in - or read Matt Goodwin's latest book - then come back and tell me what you think.

As I told Zlatan, I don't need to. The material content is doubtless no different from all the other explanations of why Labour lost, and I'm not disagreeing with any of them,

So since I agree, why would I want to waste 40 minutes or more in boredom listening to or reading the same?
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[Woosh]

Goodwin is not always correct.

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On 27 May 2017, he predicted that Labour would not reach 38 per cent of the vote in the 2017 general election and he would eat his book if they did.
Labour did and, on 10 June, Goodwin chewed one page out of his book, live on Sky News, therefore not fulfilling the terms of the bet.

The fundamentals have not changed, if there were another EU membership referendum, remain would win.
The main lesson of the last 3 years is it takes a very many years for the electorate to self educate on what the EU is and whether it's for them or not.
Fast forward 20 years, the EU would be carbon neutral. Would the UK also be carbon neutral?

 

[50Hertz]

This nonsense again. London has no greater incidence of stabbing than anywhere else in proportion to population.

As I've pointed out before with links, there are worse areas, the West Midlands in particular where the problem is far greater.

Like virtually all my over 10 million fellow Londoners, I'm perfectly safe in this respect. It's only a tiny number of the young who chose to live a very risky and often criminal lifestyle who are at risk.
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I know that the official published statistics tell a more enchanting fairy story. I’m just pulling your leg.

I also know quite a bit about Birmingham’s knife violence, about the police no-go areas and about the regular Sunday afternoon total breakdown of law and order in the city centre. This goes unreported and not prosecuted and I’ll just say that this behaviour is almost exclusively associated with one particular ethnic group.

I’ll carry on living where I do and leave London and Birmingham and the other places to those who live there and their massaged statistics, which tell a nice story.

 

[Zlatan]

Goodwin is not always correct.

QUOTE:

On 27 May 2017, he predicted that Labour would not reach 38 per cent of the vote in the 2017 general election and he would eat his book if they did.
Labour did and, on 10 June, Goodwin chewed one page out of his book, live on Sky News, therefore not fulfilling the terms of the bet.

The fundamentals have not changed, if there were another EU membership referendum, remain would win.
The main lesson of the last 3 years is it takes a very many years for the electorate to self educate on what the EU is and whether it's for them or not.
Fast forward 20 years, the EU would be carbon neutral. Would the UK also be carbon neutral?

I made same point myself, but as I said then he was proven correct in next election. Ofcourse, not everything he says is correct but his explanation and methodoligy are perfect. He certainly has an insight way beyond that of most politicians. Its just a shame Labour didnt listen to him. His explanation of situation and causes are spot on IMHO. A very clever bloke. Pity he isnt Labour party leader. The aspect I like of his video, and bits of his books I have read, is his impartial stance and none judgemental attitude. Going to read his books. To be fair to Campbell, he was saying very similar post and pre last election, but in his case labour ignored the message because of the messenger, which is also the problem with Blair.
Alarm bells should have been ringing at Labour when Kinocks voted Libdem at EU elections, as Campbell did.