Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Ex Lord Farage is expecting an opportunity when Brexit bombs
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-sacks-brexit-party-staff-after-general-election-disaster-taking-millions-from-donors-1350048

The Brexit Party was founded just under a year ago but Mr Farage tapped both wealthy donors and grassroots supporters for millions in funding.
Large donors handed over at least £8.6m, according to Electoral Commission figures, with most of that coming from Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne and financier Jeremy Hosking.
Mr Farage has insisted that he will not shut down the Brexit Party entirely despite its poor election performance and the fact that Brexit is now certain to happen next month.
He said: "It will have to reform into the Reform Party, it’ll have to campaign to change politics for good, get rid of the House of Lords, change the voting system, so much to do."

I wonder if the big donors will approve of this use of their money?
Ah well it shows the rich can be stupid too!

 

[50Hertz]

Ex Lord Farage is expecting an opportunity when Brexit bombs
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-sacks-brexit-party-staff-after-general-election-disaster-taking-millions-from-donors-1350048

The Brexit Party was founded just under a year ago but Mr Farage tapped both wealthy donors and grassroots supporters for millions in funding.
Large donors handed over at least £8.6m, according to Electoral Commission figures, with most of that coming from Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne and financier Jeremy Hosking.
Mr Farage has insisted that he will not shut down the Brexit Party entirely despite its poor election performance and the fact that Brexit is now certain to happen next month.
He said: "It will have to reform into the Reform Party, it’ll have to campaign to change politics for good, get rid of the House of Lords, change the voting system, so much to do."

I wonder if the big donors will approve of this use of their money?
Ah well it shows the rich can be stupid too!

How much money do you have invested in the BXP? I’d leave it to those who have donated to ask for a refund, if they want one, which I doubt they do. It’s not really any of mine or your business, we’ve not made any payment.

 

[oldgroaner]

How much money do you have invested in the BXP? I’d leave it to those who have donated to ask for a refund, if they want one, which I doubt they do. It’s not really any of mine or your business, we’ve not made any payment.

What an interesting attitude, you don't care the millions are being invested in nefarious political groups?
Sorry but it is our business, when people are paying trouble causers huge sums like this

 

[50Hertz]

What an interesting attitude, you don't care the millions are being invested in nefarious political groups?
Sorry but it is our business, when people are paying trouble causers huge sums like this

Mrs Thornhill just down the road from me has paid a bunch of Gypos to tarmac her drive. They’ve done a $h!t job, taken the money, and now ****ed off. Can you look into the matter for her please?

 

[flecc]

Mrs Thornhill just down the road from me paid a bunch of Gypos to tarmac her drive. They’ve done a $h!t job and ****ed off. Can you look into the matter for her please?

That would be an ecumenical matter.

One for the Gypolice.
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[Danidl]

That would be an ecumenical matter.

One for the Gypolice.
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... Cannot resist the dig. This is one of the jobs for illiterates!.

 

[oldgroaner]

Mrs Thornhill just down the road from me has paid a bunch of Gypos to tarmac her drive. They’ve done a $h!t job, taken the money, and now ****ed off. Can you look into the matter for her please?

Not the same thing as subverting politics is it?
Where his money comes from matters

https://eutoday.net/news/politics/2019/world4brexit

Farage’s new Brexit Party also quickly attracted from the Electoral Commission over the source of its income, stating that “the fundraising structure the [Brexit] Party have adopted, coupled with insufficient procedures, leaves it open to a high and ongoing risk of receiving and accepting impermissible donations, and being unable to maintain accurate records of transactions.”
Of course, it it appears to have been set up that way. Bob Posner, chief executive of the Electoral Commission, speaking at a hearing of the UK Parliament’s sub-committee on disinformation, told MPs that the party was open to a “high risk” of fraudulent donations via Paypal.

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Telegraph the propaganda machine lumbers on
this from Patel
Violence on Britain's streets is being fuelled by guns, knives and drugs trafficked from abroad

Unshackling from free movement will help us stop criminals entering the UK. These are real post-Brexit changes to help make people safer.

Does anyone believe this woman who was sacked for activities outside her remit?

So now we know
Knife crime is the fault of EU membership. according to her.
No proof of course, but then the article is aimed at an idiot audience.
Somehow no mater how tenuously everything that is wrong in the world will be magically fixed now we are leaving .
Not only that but by the very same people that stood by and watched while things went wrong, and often actually caused the problem.

 

[oldgroaner]

More idiocy in the Express
Brexit trade deal: Brussels CRUMBLES as member states break rank to ramp up pressure on EU
THE EU “will be the loser” if the European Commission fails to make a trade and security deal with Britain by the end of 2020.

And the source of this shocking disclosure?

The stark warning from two senior European politicians is the first crack in the united front presented by the 27 members ahead of negotiations. The senior ministers in the Hungarian government have also warned that attacks on Boris Johnson’s Brexit policy by EU leaders are “unacceptable” because the will of the British people needs to be respected.

Ah well, remember the audience the paper caters for

 

[50Hertz]

In the Telegraph the propaganda machine lumbers on
this from Patel
Violence on Britain's streets is being fuelled by guns, knives and drugs trafficked from abroad

Unshackling from free movement will help us stop criminals entering the UK. These are real post-Brexit changes to help make people safer.

Does anyone believe this woman who was sacked for activities outside her remit?

So now we know
Knife crime is the fault of EU membership. according to her.
No proof of course, but then the article is aimed at an idiot audience.
Somehow no mater how tenuously everything that is wrong in the world will be magically fixed now we are leaving .
Not only that but by the very same people that stood by and watched while things went wrong, and often actually caused the problem.

Of course Diane Abbott, the Shadow Home Secretary, who campaigns on a policy of abolishing private schools, whilst simultaneously sending her son to a private school, would be a much more credible and believable figure.

You simply don’t understand why the Conservative party won do you? Instead, you prefer to reach for your tinfoil hat and blame “The Russians” or Donald Trump, or even Donald Duck if you run out of excuses. It’s a comedy show.

Of course, you will put the blinkers on, engage lefty filtration mode and insert the ear plugs at this point because you are totally unable to inject any sort of balance into your views, or Into what is happening. It’s as basic as, Labour = Good, Conservative = Bad, regardless of what each says.

 

[daveboy]

Mrs Thornhill just down the road from me has paid a bunch of Gypos to tarmac her drive. They’ve done a $h!t job, taken the money, and now ****ed off. Can you look into the matter for her please?

Their are rumours of a law to make "intentional trespass" a criminal offence...Clearly aimed at the above. It would also have the effect of stopping hunt saboteurs.

 

[50Hertz]

Their are rumours of a law to make "intentional trespass" a criminal offence...Clearly aimed at the above. It would also have the effect of stopping hunt saboteurs.

The stopping of hunt saboteurs is probably the motivation. The police do FA about Gypos anyway.

It’s all about allowing people with sick minds to ride through the countryside and to get sexually aroused at the sight of a pack of dogs chasing an animal to exhaustion and then tearing it to pieces.

 

[50Hertz]

I see that the addresses of New Years honours recipients has been leaked. This comes on top of the disclosure of the plans to the MI6 building.

This is why I object to ID cards and other government harvesting of personal data. There isn’t anyone, anywhere, capable of looking after it properly. They are effing idiots.

 

[OxygenJames]

The stopping of hunt saboteurs is probably the motivation. The police do FA about Gypos anyway.

It’s all about allowing people with sick minds to ride through the countryside and to get sexually aroused at the sight of a pack of dogs chasing an animal to exhaustion and then tearing it to pieces.

You were obviously not brought up in the countryside. My gran would call you a 'Townie'. It is much more complicated than that (about hunting).

Hunting is an entire culture - it has its merits. My gran would lecture us for hours on how 'townies' tried to bring their values into the countryside - she was quite a force of nature.

 

[Zlatan]

Their are rumours of a law to make "intentional trespass" a criminal offence...Clearly aimed at the above. It would also have the effect of stopping hunt saboteurs.

Might affect emtbs too. Country Park rangers have had another "got nothing to do" few days. Asked me how powerful by bike was, told them about Bradley Wiggins powerful, and then they had a go at a family for "allowing" 5 yr old to ride his electric bike on tracks and told same family to put Labrador on lead (and dog mustnt go for a swim) Give folk an iota of power... well perceived power.. Pilocks.

 

[50Hertz]

You were obviously not brought up in the countryside. My gran would call you a 'Townie'. It is much more complicated than that (about hunting).

Hunting is an entire culture - it has its merits. My gran would lecture us for hours on how 'townies' tried to bring their values into the countryside - she was quite a force of nature.

I was born in a village in the countryside and have always lived in rural villages. I just can’t understand or accept that people derive pleasure, entertainment and titillation from the killing of animals who only want to live undisturbed and to survive. That’s all they want, and people who kill them for pleasure are sick in the head.

 

[Zlatan]

If foxes need killing I, m fairly sure a bloke with a shotgun is way more efficient, less cruel and more humane than it been chased around the countryside by a pack of hounds. Seems on a par with dog fighting, bear baiting and coursing to me,which are illegal? No real place for it. Its unacceptable.

 

[OxygenJames]

Guess the writer for a bonus point:

"She’s wary of telling me which way she voted. “People get mad and think you’re evil,” she says, so I know exactly how she voted. You hear the same thing all the time, a reluctance to divulge for fear of opprobrium. Eventually she says: “I voted for Boris. Don’t tell anyone.”

Don’t worry, Sue, your secret’s safe with me. And here’s the thing: right now on Teesside, you’re in the majority. No need to be a shy Tory any more. Most people were with you and for the same reasons. Not just Jeremy Corbyn. Not just Brexit. Those were the catalysts or the tipping points, but the quiet march away from Labour began at least five, if not 10, years ago: the gradual realisation that the party for which — like Sue — they had always hitherto voted no longer liked them very much and despised their values. They perhaps had no problem with higher tax rates and nationalisation. It was the other stuff that did it: indiscriminate welfare overreach (which the hard-working working class resents), uncontrolled immigration and the culture — ie, the new culture of the party that had been set up to represent them.

So they elected a Tory as mayor of the Tees Valley and evicted Labour from running Middlesbrough in favour of Independents. And now the seats of Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland, Stockton South, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, Redcar (Redcar!) — all Conservative. A swathe of blue along the Steel River, the most working-class area in the country.

I suppose it would be going too far to suggest that the comedian Roy Chubby Brown won the election for Boris Johnson, although it would be nearer the mark than simply parroting “Brexit” and “Corbyn”. Brown is Middlesbrough’s biggest export, since we stopped building the bridges of the world. He is from Grangetown, next to (and slightly downmarket from) South Bank. His humour is not to everybody’s tastes: like a dafter version of Bernard Manning, he stands on stage in flying helmet and goggles and spews forth endless, magnificent smut. But he is extraordinarily popular. The last time I spoke to him, on Friday, was before a performance in front of 700, a sellout again, in Blackpool.

So what did the Labour council in his home town do? Effectively banned him from appearing there, in front of his ferociously loyal home-town audience. His humour didn’t fit with their principles, these cut-price commissars announced. The ban was overturned last month by Middlesbrough’s Independent mayor, but the message had been heard: you will enjoy only humour approved by us. Brown, a habitual Labour voter, won’t be voting Labour again — and nor will his fans.

In the living room of his house, Brown has a painting of a chap cycling to the evening shift at the steelworks, which he bought because it reminded him of his dad. It’s by Teesside’s most notable artist, Mackenzie Thorpe — I have one in my house, too. Thorpe may not be to your tastes. Certainly he’s not to the taste of the Middlesbrough Institute of Modern Art (Mima), which finds his work naff and will not show it.

This large, expensive edifice, ordained by a Labour council, will not show the kind of art that appeals to local people. As Thorpe put it, on an occasion that Mima was featuring the usual egregious tat by the likes of Tracey Emin: “People don’t go to Mima because, by and large, they don’t like the work on show. it doesn’t relate to them — simple. Mima just does not get the local population: they continue to dish up their vision of what they think we should enjoy and persist in ignoring demands for something we would like to see.”

The leftish elite on Teesside despises both the humour and artistic tastes of the locals and, effectively, outlaws it. Why, then, would the local people continue to give this elite their support?"

 

[OxygenJames]

and:

"Middlesbrough, a port, has always had immigrant labour and, indeed, the town was built by Irish immigrants. Racial conflict is almost entirely absent. But local people are not happy that the town has recently become a dumping ground for economic migrants, or that the same migrants alter the culture of the place and undercut local wages.

Suggest such a thing, though, and your betters will tell you you’re a racist. The same people who are contemptuous of Brown and Thorpe also welcome unconstrained immigration. Indeed, pick away at the belief systems of that elite, and thus the Labour Party, and you will find that in almost every case, economic policy aside, they do not accord with those of local people: not on the traditional family, on welfare benefits, on gender and identity politics, on religious faith."

 

[oldgroaner]

Of course Diane Abbott, the Shadow Home Secretary, who campaigns on a policy of abolishing private schools, whilst simultaneously sending her son to a private school, would be a much more credible and believable figure.

You simply don’t understand why the Conservative party won do you? Instead, you prefer to reach for your tinfoil hat and blame “The Russians” or Donald Trump, or even Donald Duck if you run out of excuses. It’s a comedy show.

Of course, you will put the blinkers on, engage lefty filtration mode and insert the ear plugs at this point because you are totally unable to inject any sort of balance into your views, or Into what is happening. It’s as basic as, Labour = Good, Conservative = Bad, regardless of what each says.

Hang on, you criticise Abbot and forget that Patel was busted for dishonesty over unauthorised trips to Israel.
How does that equate with putting her in charge of Law and order?
And for your information

Labour= who knows whether it would be good or bad
Conservative= the cause of the discontent that led to Brexit therefore bad.

Even you should be able to understand that.
You talk about lefty filtration mode, it doesn't compare with voting in the sort of dishonest politicians that make up the Conservative party, that has a membership newly swelled by 5,000 fascists, does it?