Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Those small vanlike devices with counter rotating brushes , travelling through the streets
And pavements of cities require licences. It is exactly those people who are dyslexic and with minimal literacy who cannot get a driving licence or the minimal health certification to act in care homes who are affected.

I haven't mentioned any of these things, and as remarked above, even those with minimal literacy can and do get driving licences.

The simple and irrefutable fact is that there are large numbers of jobs requiring scarcely any education which will never be automated for cost and/or practical reasons. Unlike you I'm not posting from theory and beliefs, I spent the last 17 years of my working life supplying engineering equipment to the construction industry and well know what is possible and practical.
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[Danidl]

I reluctantly voted Tory, even though I want to remain in the EU. I think Corbyn and his half-wits pose a bigger threat than leaving the EU. I’m sure there will be many others who feel the same, so you can not use the GE as some sort of Brexit barometer.

Incidentally, if there was another referendum today, I think people would vote to remain.

You see, you can have a balanced outlook. You don’t have to fixate on one agenda to the exclusion of all other information and opinion. It can be done, try it out.

Fair enough, but I think you made the wrong call on this one ..but of course you were not the only one. I suspect the damage that even a limited Brexit will do to the UK economy will be worse than a one term Labour government

 

[flecc]

You need to be able to read these websites before you know whats available!.

And you dare mention "reductio ad absurdum"!

For decades virtually everyone in the UK has been able to read at a basic level sufficient for such purposes.
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[oldgroaner]

The thing to remember now is leave is not going to get more popular as time goes by, Unless a miracle occurs and Boris make this into a wonderful land to live in. In reality it’s going to bomb

 

[oldgroaner]

He's using whatever logic confirms his already held bias. In this case assuming all people who voted Labour would vote remain - ditto every other party except the Torys and Brexit party. Then you get some magic number over 50%.

It's pretty dumb.

When people actually had the chance to vote for real - well - we all know what happened then. But OG is of course stuck in denial and blame and spends WAY too much time defending daft positions when he could be painting some nice pictures. On his death bed I know which he will prefer he had done.

What’s rather comic his how people like you refuse to see the obvious, the EU will morph into a superstate and we will be absorbed by it, not this time as an equal partner as one of the leading states, the situation brought about by abject stupidity, byShadowy groups like the ERG and the Adam Smith organisation that should’ve been banned as subversive years ago

 

[Woosh]

And you dare mention "reducto ad absurdum"!

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

[oldgroaner]

OG has these little statistics tucked away, historically they are out by a factor of 10 tho, so the 54% could be 5.4% or perhaps 540%, who knows.
I, d thought statistic was 82% of voters voted for leave parties in 2017...but OG knows best..
That will be it, 82% of voters voted for leave parties and 54% of them voted for remain ones. Thats why Labour have been confused. DA did the maths calcs with OG and Danidl helping.
Dont forget Labour only lost 2% of their vote in last GE.

Oh Dear, same old nonsense, the excuses you come out with are almost as bad as the tripe OJ comes out with as he tried to make America Great again.
I posted the link to the latest Poll, there is a clear majority against leave.

 

[oldgroaner]

One poll? That's it? You base your argument that the majority of people want to remain based on one poll?

Dumb!

So you are saying it has to be wrong because you don't like the result? now who's being dumb? and how many people are liable to move over from supporting leave when things start to go wrong?
Are you really thick enough not to see what will happen? they'll forget they were ever conned into thinking leave was a good idea.
Already your pet half wit supreme leader (and boris too)is making mistakes painting himself needlessly into a corner with threats

 

[oldgroaner]

I reluctantly voted Tory, even though I want to remain in the EU. I think Corbyn and his half-wits pose a bigger threat than leaving the EU. I’m sure there will be many others who feel the same, so you can not use the GE as some sort of Brexit barometer.

Incidentally, if there was another referendum today, I think people would vote to remain.

You see, you can have a balanced outlook. You don’t have to fixate on one agenda to the exclusion of all other information and opinion. It can be done, try it out.

I have a balanced outlook too, I recognise we have been taken over by hostile elements who are in the game to profit and to hell with the future of the nation, for a while they'll get away with it, but they are only competent at treachery, not running a country for the benefit of the people.
Who OJ actually are the "WE" you said were not being listened too?
Are you trying to make out you represent the public? or just right wing lobby groups? like the ERG and Adam Smith institute?

 

[oyster]

Five consecutive days of going down.

 

[oldgroaner]

Here is an example of the way Boris is botching your little plot
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Labour switchers who backed Tories still want workers' rights protected after Brexit
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The TUC said a poll of almost 3,000 adults also suggested widespread support for higher investment in public services.

Three out of four of those questioned said the Government must protect and enhance workplace rights guaranteed by the EU, including paid holidays.

Most people also want new rights for workers in the so-called gig economy, said the TUC.

General secretary Frances O'Grady said: "We know many in Boris Johnson's cabinet who want to drive down labour standards, but there is little appetite in Britain for de-regulation and further tax cuts for the rich, including among Conservative voters.

"The prime minister has no more excuses. Voters expect him to protect and strengthen rights at work, and they want him to get on with investing in our public services and boosting wages."

Peter McLeod, of GQR, which carried out the survey, said: "The Conservatives won voters from Labour and elsewhere with reassurances that they would protect workers' rights, raise the minimum wage and boost funding for the NHS and schools.

"We know people had doubts about Boris Johnson's integrity, and, if the Conservatives fail to keep their promises, a lot of those gains will be at risk."

A government spokesman said: "We share the public's desire to protect and enhance workers' rights, making the UK the best place in the world to work.

"We're already driving through the largest upgrade to workers' rights in a generation through the Good Work Plan, but as the Queen's Speech said, once Brexit is done we will introduce world-leading legislation, cementing and building on our high standards in workers' rights."

Note this last paragraph
First of all they don't actually even pay lip service to the EU workers rights even now, and have taken them out f their minifesto
And if anyone believes that the serial liar Johnson will honour this commitment then they are stupid

"we will introduce world-leading legislation, cementing and building on our high standards in workers' rights."

Not a good start Boris to keep making bigger and bigger lies and false promises

 

[oyster]

Here is an example of the way Boris is botching your little plot
"
Labour switchers who backed Tories still want workers' rights protected after Brexit
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The TUC said a poll of almost 3,000 adults also suggested widespread support for higher investment in public services.

Three out of four of those questioned said the Government must protect and enhance workplace rights guaranteed by the EU, including paid holidays.

Most people also want new rights for workers in the so-called gig economy, said the TUC.

General secretary Frances O'Grady said: "We know many in Boris Johnson's cabinet who want to drive down labour standards, but there is little appetite in Britain for de-regulation and further tax cuts for the rich, including among Conservative voters.

"The prime minister has no more excuses. Voters expect him to protect and strengthen rights at work, and they want him to get on with investing in our public services and boosting wages."

Peter McLeod, of GQR, which carried out the survey, said: "The Conservatives won voters from Labour and elsewhere with reassurances that they would protect workers' rights, raise the minimum wage and boost funding for the NHS and schools.

"We know people had doubts about Boris Johnson's integrity, and, if the Conservatives fail to keep their promises, a lot of those gains will be at risk."

A government spokesman said: "We share the public's desire to protect and enhance workers' rights, making the UK the best place in the world to work.

"We're already driving through the largest upgrade to workers' rights in a generation through the Good Work Plan, but as the Queen's Speech said, once Brexit is done we will introduce world-leading legislation, cementing and building on our high standards in workers' rights."

Note this last paragraph
First of all they don't actually even pay lip service to the EU workers rights even now, and have taken them out f their minifesto
And if anyone believes that the serial liar Johnson will honour this commitment then they are stupid

"we will introduce world-leading legislation, cementing and building on our high standards in workers' rights."

Not a good start Boris to keep making bigger and bigger lies and false promises

Hasn't got time for workers' rights at the moment. He's far too busy visiting flood-hit areas and supporting those suffering. Sorry, belay that, of course he's not. Far too busy with his feet up in front of the TV at No. 10.

 

[oldgroaner]

Fascinating
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/boris-johnson-made-politics-awful-then-asked-people-vote-it-away/

 

[50Hertz]

Five consecutive days of going down.

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It’s the Boris Bounce.

 

[wheeler]

What's google?

Google it.

 

[oldgroaner]

I haven't mentioned any of these things, and as remarked above, even those with minimal literacy can and do get driving licences.

The simple and irrefutable fact is that there are large numbers of jobs requiring scarcely any education which will never be automated for cost and/or practical reasons. Unlike you I'm not posting from theory and beliefs, I spent the last 17 years of my working life supplying engineering equipment to the construction industry and well know what is possible and practical.
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Just watched "The Factory" where no less than 40 people were doing simple jobs on a production line to produce Christmas Cakes!

 

[oyster]

Just watched "The Factory" where no less than 40 people were doing simple jobs on a production line to produce Christmas Cakes!

If that was the program I think it was, it was made in 2017. Probably all made redundant since then...

 

[Danidl]

And you dare mention "reductio ad absurdum"!

For decades virtually everyone in the UK has been able to read at a basic level sufficient for such purposes.
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That comment referred to an honours degree being required to drive the dumpster... . You are generally more analytical than that.
The point I originally made, was that in my childhood ,and presumably also in yours, there were employment activities which people who had no functional literacy or numeracy could do. In many cases this was hidden because of large class sizes. However modern life requires these skills, to even have the minimal basic level of engagement. Even jobs which DO NOT in themselves require high levels of numeracy etc require it to even get in the door.

 

[flecc]

Just watched "The Factory" where no less than 40 people were doing simple jobs on a production line to produce Christmas Cakes!

There are many thousands of jobs like that, even high production volume fish fingers are manually cut from frozen blocks of fish. That could easily be automated of course, but the makers find it an unnecessary expense, considering how efficiently its already being done.

But it's in manual labour where the most unskilled work exists and will continue indefinitely. Only the blinkered fantasists who have science and technology as their religion fail to see that simple truth.

They make two mistakes. The first is to believe that anything is possible. The second is to believe that as its possible, it will happen.
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[flecc]

That comment referred to an honours degree being required to drive the dumpster... . You are generally more analytical than that.

It very obviously wasn't intended to be analytical, it was a deliberate exaggeration in response to your exaggerations.
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