Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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In the Telegraph
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Hunt Master vows to defy saboteurs' attempts to 'bury Boxing Day meet under paperwork'

At the moment it's
"The Unspeakable in pursuit of
the Unhuntable.

Long may it remain so However...
24 Nov 2019 - The Conservative Party completed a break with its historic support base ... drops MPs' vote on fox hunting ban from election manifesto in break with it's traditional base.

And since Boris is a congenital liar
No doubt they are expecting it to make a comeback
 
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oldgroaner

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Hasn't got time for workers' rights at the moment. He's far too busy visiting flood-hit areas and supporting those suffering. Sorry, belay that, of course he's not. Far too busy with his feet up in front of the TV at No. 10.
I responded to that with this tweet

"They should try writing to Cummings, not much point in writing to anyone else, you just get an answering machine.
 
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50Hertz

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In the Telegraph
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Hunt Master vows to defy saboteurs' attempts to 'bury Boxing Day meet under paperwork'

At the moment it's
"The Unspeakable in pursuit of
the Unhuntable.

Long may it remain so However...
24 Nov 2019 - The Conservative Party completed a break with its historic support base ... drops MPs' vote on fox hunting ban from election manifesto in break with it's traditional base.

And since Boris is a congenital liar
No doubt they are expecting it to make a comeback
I hope he gets thrown from his horse and breaks his neck.
 
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oldgroaner

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Johno is in a bit of bother, but as the resident smart cookies on here will say, it's only a single poll and from the TUC at that
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-government-zero-hour-contract-ban-latest-a9257281.html
Two in three voters want Boris Johnson's government to ban zero-hours contracts, poll finds

Survey shows public wants workers' rights guaranteed after Brexit and backs tax rises to pay for public services
Two-thirds of voters want Boris Johnson‘s government to ban zero-hours contracts, a poll has found.
The public also wants workers’ rights protected after Brexit and tax rises for higher earners, according to the survey for the Trade Union Congress (TUC).
Trade union leaders said the poll meant Mr Johnson had “no more excuses” for not ensuring that rights are protected after Brexit.
The prime minister has said he is aware that many former Labour voters lent the Tories their vote at the general election and expect the government to now deliver for them.
However, he faced immediate criticism this week after ditching workers’ rights guarantees from the bill ratifying his Brexit deal.
According to the survey, conducted by GQR for the TUC, 73 per cent of voters want the government to maintain and enhance current workers’ rights guaranteed by the EU. At 79 per cent, the proportion is even higher among voters who switched from Labour to the Conservatives at the general election.
Sixty-eight per cent of voters want the minimum wage to be raised to £10 an hour immediately, rising to 76 per cent among Labour-Tory switches, while 66 per cent of voters also want to see zero-hours contracts banned.
The poll also revealed widespread support for tax rises on high earners. Sixty-eight per cent of voters, including 56 per cent of Conservatives voters, want taxes on people earning over £80,000 a year to go up.

Fifty-nine per cent of voters said they would personally be willing to pay more tax to ensure public services are properly funded, while 31 per cent would not. "

Poor Johno, his new found voters will prove to be a millstone round his neck when he lets them down
The fuse under him has started ticking already.

Too many promises and too many lies
"Not a good start Boris" :cool:
 
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Johno is in a bit of bother, but as the resident smart cookies on here will say, it's only a single poll and from the TUC at that
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-government-zero-hour-contract-ban-latest-a9257281.html
Two in three voters want Boris Johnson's government to ban zero-hours contracts, poll finds

Survey shows public wants workers' rights guaranteed after Brexit and backs tax rises to pay for public services
Two-thirds of voters want Boris Johnson‘s government to ban zero-hours contracts, a poll has found.
The public also wants workers’ rights protected after Brexit and tax rises for higher earners, according to the survey for the Trade Union Congress (TUC).
Trade union leaders said the poll meant Mr Johnson had “no more excuses” for not ensuring that rights are protected after Brexit.
The prime minister has said he is aware that many former Labour voters lent the Tories their vote at the general election and expect the government to now deliver for them.
However, he faced immediate criticism this week after ditching workers’ rights guarantees from the bill ratifying his Brexit deal.
According to the survey, conducted by GQR for the TUC, 73 per cent of voters want the government to maintain and enhance current workers’ rights guaranteed by the EU. At 79 per cent, the proportion is even higher among voters who switched from Labour to the Conservatives at the general election.
Sixty-eight per cent of voters want the minimum wage to be raised to £10 an hour immediately, rising to 76 per cent among Labour-Tory switches, while 66 per cent of voters also want to see zero-hours contracts banned.
The poll also revealed widespread support for tax rises on high earners. Sixty-eight per cent of voters, including 56 per cent of Conservatives voters, want taxes on people earning over £80,000 a year to go up.

Fifty-nine per cent of voters said they would personally be willing to pay more tax to ensure public services are properly funded, while 31 per cent would not. "

Poor Johno, his new found voters will prove to be a millstone round his neck when he lets them down
The fuse under him has started ticking already.

Too many promises and too many lies
"Not a good start Boris" :cool:
Going to Lebedev's do set the direction quite clearly.
 
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oldgroaner

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The man who suggested we voted leave in 2016 due to Russian involvement - is now talking about being gullible.

Pot kettle black?
Then who is to blame? The conservatives run on Russian funds
And with Cummings the Russophile running things, you're the dummy when it comes to your denial of Russian interference.
Talk about being gullible indeed
 
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oldgroaner

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In the Telegraph
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The five lessons Labour must learn from history to be a credible party again
William Hague.

We know there are more than five
  1. protect offshore Tax swindles
  2. Accept Russian Money
  3. Make False Promises
  4. employ the most intense hi tech techniques to spread lies and False truths
  5. Attack the opposition relentlessly
  6. Make sure the press ignores the racism in their own party
  7. Ditto for corruption
  8. Destroy Workers rights
  9. Sell off the NHS (and anything else they fancy) to American Corporate interests
  10. Have a totally incompetent egotistical failure as a front man
Simple really, but we already have the Conservative party elected on that manifesto, so no thank you
We need an HONEST Government.
ps: Being prepared to Lie to the Queen would be handy too.
 
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In the Telegraph
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The five lessons Labour must learn from history to be a credible party again
William Hague.

We know there are more than five
  1. protect offshore Tax swindles
  2. Accept Russian Money
  3. Make False Promises
  4. employ the most intense hi tech techniques to spread lies and False truths
  5. Attack the opposition relentlessly
  6. Make sure the press ignores the racism in their own party
  7. Ditto for corruption
  8. Destroy Workers rights
  9. Sell off the NHS (and anything else they fancy) to American Corporate interests
  10. Have a totally incompetent egotistical failure as a front man
Simple really, but we already have the Conservative party elected on that manifesto, so no thank you
We need an HONEST Government.
ps: Being prepared to Lie to the Queen would be handy too.
11) Don’t have a line up of totally inept ass-holes, who scream voters down when they disagree with them, on the front bench.

12) Drop the “quota thing” and the synthetic candidate short lists. Appoint on merit.

13) Don’t steal stuff off the mainstream voters in order to fund a money orgy.
 
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OxygenJames

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I have a balanced outlook too, I recognise we have been taken over by hostile elements who are in the game to profit and to hell with the future of the nation, for a while they'll get away with it, but they are only competent at treachery, not running a country for the benefit of the people.
Who OJ actually are the "WE" you said were not being listened too?
Are you trying to make out you represent the public? or just right wing lobby groups? like the ERG and Adam Smith institute?
The 'we' turned out to be 17.4 million people in the end. The largest ever number of voting public in any election in history.
 

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Then who is to blame? The conservatives run on Russian funds
And with Cummings the Russophile running things, you're the dummy when it comes to your denial of Russian interference.
Talk about being gullible indeed
You need help.

Enough of this nonsense.

Have a nice Xmas everybody - I'm going to leave you to deal with OG on your own for a while.
 

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The 'we' turned out to be 17.4 million people in the end. The largest ever number of voting public in any election in history.
It strikes me as disingenuous not to consider the size of the electorate in that claim. So I have collected a little information showing turnouts as percentages. Quite a number trounce the 2016 referendum in percentage of turnout terms:

2016 referendum 73.0%
9 April 1992 John Major77.7%
29 October 1924Stanley Baldwin77.0%
30 May 1929 Ramsay MacDonald76.3%
27 October 1931Ramsay MacDonald76.4%
23 February 1950Clement Attlee83.9%
26 May 1955Sir Anthony Eden76.8%
8 October 1959Harold Macmillan78.7%
25 October 1951Sir Winston Churchill82.6%
 

Zlatan

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You need help.

Enough of this nonsense.

Have a nice Xmas everybody - I'm going to leave you to deal with OG on your own for a while.
OG wanted to post his message to 1,000,000 people. He realised site does not have that audience, but just 10.
Undetered he thought well if I give message 100,000 times to those 10, that should count. Currently, he, s on 45,001 so nearly half way. Keep it up OG.
Lets hope his factor 10 error works for us.

Merry christmas.
Keeping away for a while.
Avagudun.... Everybody.
 
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oldgroaner

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OG wanted to post his message to 1,000,000 people. He realised site does not have that audience, but just 10.
Undetered he thought well if I give message 100,000 times to those 10, that should count. Currently, he, s on 45,001 so nearly half way. Keep it up OG.
Lets hope his factor 10 error works for us.

Merry christmas.
Keeping away for a while.
Avagudun.... Everybody.
Never stop do you? same old personal attacks, same old nonsense.
Enjoy the mess you have made with your Brexit Vote
 
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50Hertz

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As the Tory party does?
For instance on care for the elderly? , time you understood what you voted for.
Labour wouldn’t solve that problem. They would have just run up a pile of debt that would require servicing for eternity.
 

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