And the them were 15.8.. the difference being 1.2 , or if 600k had voted differently out of 38 million, the result would be a tie.. thats 5 . Football stadiums worth!.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Haven't you noticed? so have the Conservatives, and soon we shall lose a great amount of income to pay it off.
Another lie OJ it wasn't the largest was it? but don't let the truth get in your way, it never has in the past.
Not only was it fraudulent the margin was too small by a large margin to represent a decisive mandate.
Untrue yet again. Where I live on a large estate we run our own management company and are employers. The people we employ for a wide range of tasks are never questioned about educational qualifications or literacy and numeracy abilities. Our concern is only that they can do the jobs required.
As anywhere, here there is a large black economy, and although we wouldn't be a part of that, its network connections does enable knowledge of who can do jobs. Like any responsible employer we look after the health and safety aspects, for example by such things as spending on scaffolding to enable us to bar the use of tall ladders. All over the UK such employment situations for lesser units and individuals exist in very large numbers.
And the range of jobs that can be and are done with no qualifications is immense. For just one very widespread and large scale example, household refuse collections, which can never be automated without total replacement of all housing stock and area design. In my area the crews have long had only one permanent member, the driver/foreman, the rest mostly being casual temp labourers. They don't need any knowledge, the driver can operate the set of control buttons when the automatic tipping mechanism fails and they are so simple that the temps pick it up immediately. Indeed I've sometimes used them when lending a hand on the odd occasion when they are running late through being short staffed.
Just imagine how many such refuse collection jobs there are for the UK's near 30 million households. And that's without all the temps employed in waste to power stations like ours, where they sort the refuse as it travels along a conveyer to the furnace. There are the same sort of sorting jobs at recycling contractors.
Another very large scale completely unqualified employment is in cleaning, offices, factories, shops, common areas of multiple housing units and individual home cleaning. To illustrate how unqualified they need be, I know of cleaning contractors in London who legally employ 15 and 16 years olds five days a week to do office cleaning in after school hours. They are cheap labour of course, but happy to do the work for what to them is lots of money to spend at the weekend.
And finally I could be typing for hours listing all the individual jobs that need no qualifications and can never ever be automated or even mechanised to any degree.
So please stop picking out some individual examples that need minimal qualifications while ignoring the elephants in the room. And also drop your superiority complex that leads you to underate the knowledge and ability of everyone else. You really aren't very clever at all at times, as this discussion shows only too clearly.
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Merry xmas all. Heres a happy thought. may I suggest that you consider boris's time in the foreign office as you listen to the queen? The great ape and its hairy subjugates will not be with us for five years.
At last a Brexit bonus that will have half wits waving union jacks
Slight technical hitch, they haven't got the Yorkshire flag the right way up
Slight technical hitch, they haven't got the Yorkshire flag the right way up
That illustrates very clearly the problem which the UK is now facing... I have not said there was not a gigging economy. What I continue to say is that one and two generations ago, the ability to be illiterate and non numerically competent was masked. Now there are LESS of those jobs now.
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There will always a job for a $h!t shoveler. Don’t need no fancy schoolin’ for them jobs.
There will be lots of work for **** shovelers in borisland. not just the pungent variety in the Albania plus model (once no one wants to come here to do our dirty work). Also the metaphorical variety. not just from boris and his cohorts. take you and oj's posts. Your shovelling it at an Olympic standard.
Not just Boris land, $h!t shovelers do an essential task and they will always be needed.
I think I'll just sit back and enjoy this subject, it's fascinating to see the respect being shown for it's practitioners, who have in fact done far more to improve the lot of the Human race, than almost any other workers than the food creators.
Quite amusing to spectate sometimes.
That's a considerable change from what you were posting, and we are not facing your imagined problem.
In the post that started our discussion you said this:
"There were employment options for many.. as cannon fodder , a delivery lads, door men, porters . Universal literacy is extremely modern. Now a person cannot use use any technology without functional ability with the alphabet."
Virtually universal literacy at that basic level has existed for at least 75 years in the UK, about as long as you have lived, and those jobs you list still exist in large numbers without any need for literacy.
Then in this post, you made a number of silly statements on jobs, particulary about manual trenching and the like. In fact it's still commonplace and always will be. In my huge borough, the largest in Britain, the replacement of all the many thousands of lamp posts with tall LED ones entailed manually digging out every base with hand tools. That suprised me so much that I questioned it, only to be informed that the accuracy of groundwork plans on all the many facilities that exist now wasn't accurate enough to use mechanical means. Doing it had caused too many accidents, ruptured cables, burst water and gas mains etc., so they'd resorted to doing it manually, only the pole lifting and placements being mechanised.
You ended that post by saying this:
"About the only position open is fruit gathering and potato picking."
That's utter nonsense as I've shown with the vast number of menial jobs that still exist and always will.
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I don't think Boris intends five years, I think he'll go to the country in three years time for re-election.
Why do I think that? Well the first clue is that he's said he is going to immediately cancel the fixed term parliament act, obviously that is for a purpose. The second clue is how he handled his first term as London Mayor. Basically he laid low and followed his predecessor Ken Livigstone's successful policies, keeping his own ones that he started quite low profile. Of course the mayoral term was just four years and he just managed to get re-elected since things seemed to be ok.
It was in the early stage of the second term that the chickens of his poor decisions came home to roost and he quickly realised he'd never get a further term. So before the middle of the term was reached he went looking for a parliamentary seat so he could avoid standing and getting beaten in the next mayoral election.
Therefore my guess is he'll do three years with all the socialist giveaways he is currently promising, 50,000 nurses etc, and on that strength get re-elected. That will catch Labour by surprise and they may still be disorganised then anyway. Those policies he follows which are EU friendly as well will of course help his trade negotiations with them.
Then re-elected will come the five years of hard right policies for his ERG pals.
I think that 8 years will satisfy him since he'd be in the prime ministers hall of fame as having served two terms. After all, he's only ever desired the post for the personal status, not for what he could do for others who he's never given a damn about.
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I agree ...he's getting rid of the Parliament act so he can call a snap election when he is well ahead in the polls.....It would be very hard for him to peak at exactly 5 years.
If Brexit isn't a big success he will be in for a surprise. he has one year of an easy ride and that's all, unless of course he does "A Boris" and breaks his own law on no extension to the transition, which is highly likely if the EU tell him what he can do with it as a bargaining counter.
If you cannot write or read and are male ,then the position is as I have stated. ..or spreading tar or.... Recall the recent case of" slavery ", linked with Irish itinerants and bullying unfortunates in England.
Women have been traditionally able to get those cleaning jobs...but not with public authorities but only in the private sector. The slightly better?. Care assistant jobs with any Health Board require completion of written competence tests,even if the tasks don't need it.
The number of people I have seen locally using shovels is extremely limited, and mini diggers are routinely used. Even the local authority guys at my beachfront... I am 300 metres from the sea, use JCBs to move the flood gates into place..strips of stainless steel .from their resting place by the public toilets. ..some if these could be lugged around manually.
We may differ on our belief as to the numbers of people incapable of this basic literacy, but the world is less forgiving now than a generation ago.
After all that's been said about leaving,a big success will be if all the predictions of doom don't come true.