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Zlatan

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And I find your latter paragraph simply unbelievable, it's so far removed from the truth you really are very out of touch with ground floor reality and possibilities
Only the latter paragraph? You are being generous there Flecc.
 

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More like payment for the last 35 years work of hard slog making sure the political class actually listened to what we were saying to them.
he earns pretty good money from his political career.
 

Danidl

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Absolutely no rose tinted spectacles, I often annoy those with them when I insist on the facts from the past from my partially eidetic memory. Of course there are those who insist there is no such thing as an eidetic memory, even when proven to them beyond doubt. Once again the religion that science can all too easily become.

And I find your latter paragraph simply unbelievable, it's so far removed from the truth you really are very out of touch with ground floor reality and possibilities.

Whether refuse can be cleared from a very difficult location by automation isn't in question. Nor is it in question with a narrow vertical drain that can just accept a slim man to manually dig out out to several feet deep.

But neither are ever going to happen due to the immense cost and complexity of automating them in each infinitely variable situation, compared with the miniscule cost of one often uneducated man. I'm speaking here of two actual situations on my doorstep, the latter within the last couple of months, the former weekly.
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Whereas in the old days there were men walking with barrows and a brush and scoop and it was very safe..., Now public sanitation requires a driving license, A Driving licence requires a theory and visual test, so those without reading cannot compete. Care assistant once ment just a kind heart, and endless patience, and suited slow learners,it now requires certificates, level 3 or 4 on HSE/NHS written comptency tests,with multiple choice questions. One cannot work on a building site without having a Safework pass, ..again requiring a bit of paperwork. Even the pig man of my youth collecting the swill is long gone. Coal delivery is virtually dissapeared etc.
When is the last time you saw a team of workmen digging trenches ,those mini jcb diggers do that work in hours.? , Similarity kerb laying . The add ons to small hydraulic machines cover most eventualities. Those vertical shafts are done with augers , or pile drivers which are sophisticated automation. What it means is that those people who had poor literacy and numeracy, could dissapear in the past, but cannot in the world of today.
About the only position open is fruit gathering and potato picking.
 
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50Hertz

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Tony Blair lost Corbyn GE. Its official. If Laboue party completely rids itself of him and his Cronies they will win next time.
Why is it powers that be need to conduct investigations into things public know full well the answer to. Does Mrs McCluskey get up in a morning and ask Len what he wants for breakfast and he replies a week later after a full investigation.
But things are looking up. Milliband (the one stood second in queue for looks and brains) is conducting a full study into why they lost. He, s promised to have a full answer in next 6 years.
Investigations, meetings and committees are great hiding places for the incompetent. They can look busy without actually having to do anything or make a decision.
 
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flecc

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What it means is that those people who had poor literacy and numeracy, could dissapear in the past, but cannot in the world of today.
About the only position open is fruit gathering and potato picking.
Utter nonsense, showing once again how out of touch you are with the realities:

The man who dug out our deep narrow drain by hand wasn't driving the van that brought him, manual workers rarely work singly. The man who drove, who in your fantasy world presumably had an honours degree to do that, was the person who hauled up the buckets of dug out detritus.

Only one man in a refuse collection crew drives the truck.

In any case getting a driving licence only requires a minimal level of education so is open to virtually all.

Your tasks selectivity has carefully avoided all the many situations which for practical and cost reasons will never be automated. Your vertical shafts mention shows you haven't even read and understood what I posted.

Perhaps you didn't even understand my reference to the religion of science, despite you being one of the faithful.
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oldgroaner

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More like payment for the last 35 years work of hard slog making sure the political class actually listened to what we were saying to them.
Who are the "WE" you keep talking about when the majority now don't want to leave the EU?
 

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Utter nonsense, showing once again how out of touch you are with the realities:

The man who dug out our deep narrow drain by hand wasn't driving the van that brought him, manual workers rarely work singly. The man who drove, who in your fantasy world presumably had an honours degree to do that, was the person who hauled up the buckets of dug out detritus.

Only one man in a refuse collection crew drives the truck.

In any case getting a driving licence only requires a minimal level of education so is open to virtually all.

Your tasks selectivity has carefully avoided all the many situations which for practical and cost reasons will never be automated. Your vertical shafts mention shows you haven't even read and understood what I posted.

Perhaps you didn't even understand my reference to the religion of science, despite you being one of the faithful.
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I may as well give up on this one. I was not suggesting that the person who drove the truck needed an honours degree, and that "reducto ad absurdum" argument does not do you credit... Although I suspect that 50 might row in here and suggest it would be in media studies or social studies.
Those small vanlike devices with counter rotating brushes , travelling through the streets
And pavements of cities require licences. It is exactly those people who are dyslexic and with minimal literacy who cannot get a driving licence or the minimal health certification to act in care homes who are affected.
 

50Hertz

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Whereas in the old days there were men walking with barrows and a brush and scoop and it was very safe..., Now public sanitation requires a driving license, A Driving licence requires a theory and visual test, so those without reading cannot compete. Care assistant once ment just a kind heart, and endless patience, and suited slow learners,it now requires certificates, level 3 or 4 on HSE/NHS written comptency tests,with multiple choice questions. One cannot work on a building site without having a Safework pass, ..again requiring a bit of paperwork. Even the pig man of my youth collecting the swill is long gone. Coal delivery is virtually dissapeared etc.
When is the last time you saw a team of workmen digging trenches ,those mini jcb diggers do that work in hours.? , Similarity kerb laying . The add ons to small hydraulic machines cover most eventualities. Those vertical shafts are done with augers , or pile drivers which are sophisticated automation. What it means is that those people who had poor literacy and numeracy, could dissapear in the past, but cannot in the world of today.
About the only position open is fruit gathering and potato picking.
Do you attend lots of meetings? You don’t come across as a very practical man, more as one who creates obstacles as over complicates simple situations.
 
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Zlatan

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Who are the "WE" you keep talking about when the majority now don't want to leave the EU?
You, ve conducted your own referendum then OG. Can you publish your results? Or have you conducted an extensive opinion poll...... based on sample size 1?? Or is your "fact" based on in here??
Because of stance Labour took we never actually found out if nation had or hadnt changed its mind. Strongly suspect from election results country actually hasnt changed its mind.????
 
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jonathan.agnew

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Investigations, meetings and committees are great hiding places for the incompetent. They can look busy without actually having to do anything or make a decision.
As, indeed, threads about politics on ebike forums where sad gits use google to impersonate expertise to try to compensate for underachievement
 
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In any case getting a driving licence only requires a minimal level of education so is open to virtually all.


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Indeed.....They provide voice overs for non readers (in 20 languages)

 
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Danidl

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Indeed.....They provide voice overs for non readers (in 20 languages)

You need to be able to read these websites before you know whats available!.
That’s a good start. Might you find it within yourself to extend that to everything? It is, after all, Christmas.
Kettles and pots. I made the committment that when you that is ..the UK leave with their Brexit ,then so will I . At present that is most likely the first day of Irish Spring 2021, when the Transition phase is completed.
 

Danidl

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Do you attend lots of meetings? You don’t come across as a very practical man, more as one who creates obstacles as over complicates simple situations.
To the simple everything is simple and there is a simple solution .. usually wrong.
 

oldgroaner

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You, ve conducted your own referendum then OG. Can you publish your results? Or have you conducted an extensive opinion poll...... based on sample size 1?? Or is your "fact" based on in here??
Because of stance Labour took we never actually found out if nation had or hadnt changed its mind. Strongly suspect from election results country actually hasnt changed its mind.????
Oh for goodness sake 54% voted for parties that were against Brexit or offered a referendum. 46% for parties in favour of leave
What happened to your claim you were a Maths teacher?
I had to hastily edit that post as it made Boris Johnson of it!
 

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