Brexit, for once some facts.

daveboy

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Oh for goodness sake 54% voted for parties that were against Brexit or offered a referendum. 46% for parties in favour of leave
What happened to your claim you were a Maths teacher?
I had to hastily edit that post as it made Boris Johnson of it!
So everybody that voted Tory wanted to leave and everybody that voted Labour wanted a second referendum.....you are deluded.
 

50Hertz

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Kettles and pots. I made the committment that when you that is ..the UK leave with their Brexit ,then so will I . At present that is most likely the first day of Irish Spring 2021, when the Transition phase is completed.
I think it will be complete before 21/03/2021.
 

Zlatan

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So everybody that voted Tory wanted to leave and everybody that voted Labour wanted a second referendum.....you are deluded.
OG has these little statistics tucked away, historically they are out by a factor of 10 tho, so the 54% could be 5.4% or perhaps 540%, who knows.
I, d thought statistic was 82% of voters voted for leave parties in 2017...but OG knows best..
That will be it, 82% of voters voted for leave parties and 54% of them voted for remain ones. Thats why Labour have been confused. DA did the maths calcs with OG and Danidl helping.
Dont forget Labour only lost 2% of their vote in last GE.
 
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50Hertz

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To the simple everything is simple and there is a simple solution .. usually wrong.
No, simplicity is beautiful. Often the best, the most efficient and the most ingenious solution is the simple solution. It’s the ability to spot it that differentiates between the capable and the meeting / committee dwellers.
 
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Danidl

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No, simplicity is beautiful. Often the best, the most efficient and the most ingenious solution is the simple solution. It’s the ability to spot it that differentiates between the capable and the meeting / committee dwellers.
Exactly I fully agree... .
 

OxygenJames

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Whereas in the old days there were men walking with barrows and a brush and scoop and it was very safe..., Now public sanitation requires a driving license, A Driving licence requires a theory and visual test, so those without reading cannot compete. Care assistant once ment just a kind heart, and endless patience, and suited slow learners,it now requires certificates, level 3 or 4 on HSE/NHS written comptency tests,with multiple choice questions. One cannot work on a building site without having a Safework pass, ..again requiring a bit of paperwork. Even the pig man of my youth collecting the swill is long gone. Coal delivery is virtually dissapeared etc.
When is the last time you saw a team of workmen digging trenches ,those mini jcb diggers do that work in hours.? , Similarity kerb laying . The add ons to small hydraulic machines cover most eventualities. Those vertical shafts are done with augers , or pile drivers which are sophisticated automation. What it means is that those people who had poor literacy and numeracy, could dissapear in the past, but cannot in the world of today.
About the only position open is fruit gathering and potato picking.
Right. WAY too much regulation and red tape. The government keeps getting more and more involved in everyday stuff - they need to get the f+++ out.

Roll on the revolution.
 
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OxygenJames

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You, ve conducted your own referendum then OG. Can you publish your results? Or have you conducted an extensive opinion poll...... based on sample size 1?? Or is your "fact" based on in here??
Because of stance Labour took we never actually found out if nation had or hadnt changed its mind. Strongly suspect from election results country actually hasnt changed its mind.????
He's using whatever logic confirms his already held bias. In this case assuming all people who voted Labour would vote remain - ditto every other party except the Torys and Brexit party. Then you get some magic number over 50%.

It's pretty dumb.

When people actually had the chance to vote for real - well - we all know what happened then. But OG is of course stuck in denial and blame and spends WAY too much time defending daft positions when he could be painting some nice pictures. On his death bed I know which he will prefer he had done.
 

OxygenJames

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Oh for goodness sake 54% voted for parties that were against Brexit or offered a referendum. 46% for parties in favour of leave
What happened to your claim you were a Maths teacher?
I had to hastily edit that post as it made Boris Johnson of it!
See? He actually thinks everybody who voted labour was a remain supporter.

Yup - that dumb.
 

OxygenJames

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OG has these little statistics tucked away, historically they are out by a factor of 10 tho, so the 54% could be 5.4% or perhaps 540%, who knows.
I, d thought statistic was 82% of voters voted for leave parties in 2017...but OG knows best..
That will be it, 82% of voters voted for leave parties and 54% of them voted for remain ones. Thats why Labour have been confused. DA did the maths calcs with OG and Danidl helping.
Dont forget Labour only lost 2% of their vote in last GE.
That's a good point.

According to OGs logic - 82% of the population in 2017 wanted to leave (given that both Labour and the Tory's manifesto stated they supported the leave position).

Dumb. Really really dumb.
 
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OxygenJames

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Oh for goodness sake 54% voted for parties that were against Brexit or offered a referendum. 46% for parties in favour of leave
BTW OG - here is your post. Nothing about a poll. Just really dumb logic. The same dumb logic that would have us believe 82% would have voted leave in 2017.
 

50Hertz

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Oh for goodness sake 54% voted for parties that were against Brexit or offered a referendum. 46% for parties in favour of leave
What happened to your claim you were a Maths teacher?
I had to hastily edit that post as it made Boris Johnson of it!
I reluctantly voted Tory, even though I want to remain in the EU. I think Corbyn and his half-wits pose a bigger threat than leaving the EU. I’m sure there will be many others who feel the same, so you can not use the GE as some sort of Brexit barometer.

Incidentally, if there was another referendum today, I think people would vote to remain.

You see, you can have a balanced outlook. You don’t have to fixate on one agenda to the exclusion of all other information and opinion. It can be done, try it out.
 

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