Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Nonsense. It is because people wanted it. Cameron HAD to put it in his manifesto because Farage was getting such public support. You have a very limited understanding of how public opinion creates policy. The government is always lead by the people in a true democracy. Which is what we have.
Do you really believe this ? what nonsense
Brexit is the proof that a faction actually convinced the Public to vote against it's own interest with lies and false promises and put the blame on the EU for it's own folly.
And it has pulled off the trick a second time, and already is backing away from it's promises.
 
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oyster

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best thing that can happen to Labour is to split it into Momentum and New Labour. Momentum will be like the Green, lots of members and 1 seat. New Labour will beat the tories for the middle ground.
I see your argument.

Maybe they should reconsider everything? Whilst universal broadband and removal of the bad aspects of railway franchising are positive, wading in with nationalisation was not the most voter-appealing approach. However much need there is for reasonable universal access.

Promising improvements with nationalisation as only the last resort when the companies refuse/fail to take necessary measures would probably be much more acceptable.

I can imagine encouraging OpenReach to improve coverage and speed rollouts. Maybe including a basic package which ends up costing very little but gives basic access? (Given the conversion of phones to fibre is almost there as the bandwidth can be used for data.)

The threat of nationalisation can always be used to curb attempts to engineer excess profit-making and non-co-operation. And actually be used in the ultimate where the companies refuse and/or fail.
 
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Zlatan

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I'm laughing at you,it's incredible that you believe your own propaganda but then what else can you do?
Boris has already reneged on his care for the elderly promises, what new betrayal will we get today?
Scrapping BBC license fee today. He, s banned his MPs from Channel 4. Obviously thinks BBC is biased towards Labour. Cant imagine why. I stopped watching HIGNFY but WTF should I pay fee so so called comics spout their garbage. Think he, s correct on this one.???
Can you expand on your "he's already reneged on care" claim. Not seen anything.???
 

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Not quite.. the EU is prepared to move on without the UK. And prepared is the operational term.
is it not what I said? they want a deal on goods and fisheries asap then banking and services.
 

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is it not what I said? they want a deal on goods and fisheries asap then banking and services.
No. It is not . What the EU want is for the UK to be a fully functioning member of the EU. But we recognised two years ago that that was unlikely to happen.
 
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flecc

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best thing that can happen to Labour is to split it into Momentum and New Labour. Momentum will be like the Green, lots of members and 1 seat. New Labour will beat the tories for the middle ground.
The Tories need to split too, into right wing and centre parties. But both these proposals are of course are idealism, unlikely to ever happen.

And if they did split, they'd only ever be effective with proportional representation.
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From what I’m picking up so far from senior Labour figures during interviews, I think the following will happen.

Labour will clamour for a female leader. They will appoint someone like Rebecca Wrong-Daily. They will plough on with crazy idealistic nonsense. They won’t “get it.” They will be out of power for at least 10 years. Carry on.
 
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Zlatan

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Probably yes. The current labour promote equal opportunities, diversity and every PC policy available but then expel/sack members for holding different opinions. Its especially damaging when those very folk sacked/expelled are representing thousands of people's opinions.
When Campbell voted Libdem it should have sparked an enquiry as to why. But no they expelled him instead of accepting his opinions and incorporating them. I, m not suggesting he should have become deputy or anything of kind. Their actions are dogmatic. It was exactly same with Sarah Champion. Which incidently cost labour thousands of votes in Rothervalley.
Labour are exactly what they purport not to be. They are intolerant.
They no longer represent a wide range of opinions and beliefs. Socialism covers a wide spectrum, I, m afraid our current labour movement represents a very small one. Thats fine, but dont expect wide spread support for it and stop blaming media for what is obvious to those outside that narrow spectrum.
I, m not on my own when I say nobody is representing my political beliefs. I dont want a right wing Tory government but likewise I dont want a labour one dominated by Len McCluskey, Unite and Momentum.
Seems many dont and thats why we have Boris now and will do for another 10 years.
 
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oldgroaner

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Scrapping BBC license fee today. He, s banned his MPs from Channel 4. Obviously thinks BBC is biased towards Labour. Cant imagine why. I stopped watching HIGNFY but WTF should I pay fee so so called comics spout their garbage. Think he, s correct on this one.???
Can you expand on your "he's already reneged on care" claim. Not seen anything.???
Then you haven't read the Conservatine manifesto the pledge has been dropped
 
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flecc

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I dont want a right wing Tory government but likewise I dont want a labour one dominated by Len McCluskey, Unite and Momentum.
Seems many dont and thats why we have Boris now and will do for another 10 years.
But the chumps have voted in Johnson, and what you've posted is true of him too. Labour intolerantly expelled Campbell, but Johnson expelled 25 MPs from the party for doing similar.

You rant about the one expulsion but make no mention of the 25, showing once again the inherent unfairness of your bias against true socialist Labour and Corbyn.
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