Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Remain is DEAD
Long live REJOIN for which the majority can only grow as disaster unfolds and mistaken policies apparent even on day one make their presence felt
Brexit is effectively over
Public clamour to rejoin the EU is most certainly going to grow
Half if not more of the population cannot be ignored forever, even by clowns.
 
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evolution: Marx derives everything from exploitation of factory workers by factory owners, Keynes' solution is state intervention, Blair sees that there is a Third Way, practical re-evaluation of policies to achieve social justice for the many. Corbyn is still stuck between Marx and Keynes, the poor are victims of exploitation so the remedy is to tax the rich to give to the poor.
I think you missed my point that Corbyn in our first past the post system would never get time to evolve his socialism. Very little can be achieved in five years.

Blair didn't have a third way that worked without ever growing huge debt. He only lasted long enough for his stooge Gordon Brown to reach that limit, leaving Brown with nowhere to go.
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UK prescriptions are currently recognised across the EU. Has anyone noticed when this will stop being the case? My current guess is 31/01/2020 but that is just an assumption. I further assume that no-one has thought to negotiate a permanent mutal prescription recognition agreement?

I know a considerable number of people who would rather buy a medicine from Germany for about £31 for 100 tablets rather than the UK price of just under £200 for 28 tablets. (No surprise there!) And it is that ridiculous price which all too often means they cannot get it prescribed on the NHS.
Why is there such a price difference? Is it uk legislation or bell-end purchasers within the NHS?
 

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UK prescriptions are currently recognised across the EU. Has anyone noticed when this will stop being the case? My current guess is 31/01/2020 but that is just an assumption. I further assume that no-one has thought to negotiate a permanent mutal prescription recognition agreement?

I know a considerable number of people who would rather buy a medicine from Germany for about £31 for 100 tablets rather than the UK price of just under £200 for 28 tablets. (No surprise there!) And it is that ridiculous price which all too often means they cannot get it prescribed on the NHS.
I wonder what the tarrifs will be if someone sets up an app to buy these drugs online? could be a nice little earner there!
 

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Why is there such a price difference? Is it uk legislation or bell-end purchasers within the NHS?
Not that many years ago it was £12 in the UK. And then the sole manufacturer raised the price repeatedly.

About three years ago, two other companies started to supply but the price is still very high.

The original company claimed it is difficult to make (rubbish). The MHRA were unhappy with quality and demanded the manufacturer clear each and every batch with them before release to market. The manufacturer claimed that they needed to charge that much to pay for a new factory to make it. (Despite them actually being manufactufered by another company under contract. And don't companies usually fund the facility and then make it back over years?) And the NHS declined simply to buy from Germany (or another foreign supplier).

The CMA is still investigating... Has been raised in HoL.

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I wonder what the tarrifs will be if someone sets up an app to buy these drugs online? could be a nice little earner there!
At present lots of people do indeed buy online. Either from legitimate pharmacies (as in Germany) or various other suppliers without prescription. Yes, prices do show high profits. Cost in Greece, for example, is a few cents over one euro for 28 tablets. It is good quality and many buy it. Used to be able to justify a Greek holiday but it is now rarely available without a prescription. And all online suppliers now charge much more and are distinctly dodgy.
 
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Why is there such a price difference? Is it uk legislation or bell-end purchasers within the NHS?
In addition to Oyster's reply, they set prices at what each market can and will pay. They don't care if we pay or not, as far as they are concerned we can choose for patients to suffer or die instead.
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In addition to Oyster's reply, they set prices at what each market can and will pay. They don't care if we pay or not, as far as they are concerned we can choose for patients to suffer or die instead.
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In this case, it is a medicine that was never patented (neither UK nor USA), is chemically fairly simple and is available in monumental quantities from Alibaba.

High purity Liothyronine Sodium powder/T3 powder/liothyronine
$15.00-$600.00 / Kilogram

100 Kilograms Min. Order

Bear in mind, standard tablets are just 20 micrograms dosage.
 

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I think you missed my point that Corbyn in our first past the post system would never get time to evolve his socialism. Very little can be achieved in five years.
Blair rebuilt the NHS, expanded schools (which I benefited in my computer business before the bikes arrived), introduced the Working Tax Credit, surestart etc. That Corbyn does not have a chance to evolve his socialism may be a good thing. I don't believe that Corbyn could deliver all his re-nationalisation program anyway, and I don't think it's a good policy to give free broadband or cancelling student debts. There are worthier causes.
 
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Blair rebuilt the NHS, expanded schools (which I benefited in my computer business before the bikes arrived), introduced the Working Tax Credit, surestart etc. That Corbyn does not have a chance to evolve his socialism may be a good thing. I don't believe that Corbyn could deliver all his re-nationalisation program anyway, and I don't think it's a good policy to give free broadband or cancelling student debts. There are worthier causes.
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What Russian connection?
 

50Hertz

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Blair rebuilt the NHS, expanded schools (which I benefited in my computer business before the bikes arrived), introduced the Working Tax Credit, surestart etc. That Corbyn does not have a chance to evolve his socialism may be a good thing. I don't believe that Corbyn could deliver all his re-nationalisation program anyway, and I don't think it's a good policy to give free broadband or cancelling student debts. There are worthier causes.
That reminds me, fingers asked me to pass on this small ad entry he’s received for The Shitsville Gazette:

For sale: 63 million broadband routers. All new and unused. First to see will buy.

Contact Jez or Di on 07475765869 for more details.
 

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Remain is DEAD
Long live REJOIN for which the majority can only grow as disaster unfolds and mistaken policies apparent even on day one make their presence felt
Brexit is effectively over
Public clamour to rejoin the EU is most certainly going to grow
Half if not more of the population cannot be ignored forever, even by clowns.
Michael Heseltine is arguing "rejoin" will be dead for 20 years. I suspect it will all depend what happens over next 5...??Seems a bit pointless at moment.
 
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Michael Heseltine is arguing "rejoin" will be dead for 20 years. I suspect it will all depend what happens over next 5...??Seems a bit pointless at moment.
nothing stops the UK joining EFTA to keep most favourable access to the EU market.
The EU prefers a deal on goods and fisheries first, achievable within the transition and somehow extend the transition another year or two to allow time for negotiating a deal on banking and services.
Such tactic will receive support by banks and insurance companies.
BJ may find out that industries and commerce will put pressure on his government not to leave so quickly.
Who knows which policy would get most support from voters.
 
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nothing stops the UK joining EFTA
Except EFTA states!

If the UK would apply to join EFTA, how would the EFTA States respond?

The UK government has clearly indicated that it does not intend to apply for membership of EFTA. However, if the UK would seek to re-join EFTA, EFTA Member States would carefully examine the application. A request for membership of EFTA would be considered by the EFTA Council, where decisions are taken by consensus. It is not timely to prejudge what the outcome would be as EFTA remains open to examining all options to safeguard the interests of its Member States.

If the UK would re-join EFTA, would it automatically become party to the EEA Agreement?

Not automatically, as each EFTA state decides on its own whether it applies to be party to the EEA Agreement or not. According to Article 128 of the EEA Agreement, “any European State becoming a member of the Community shall, and the Swiss Confederation or any European State becoming a member of EFTA may, apply to become a party to this Agreement. It shall address its application to the EEA Council.” The EEA Council takes political decisions leading to the amendment of the EEA Agreement, including the possible enlargement of the EEA. Decisions by the EEA Council are taken by consensus between all EU Member States on the one hand and the three EEA EFTA States - Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway - on the other.

If the UK would re-join EFTA, would it also become party to EFTA’s worldwide free trade agreements?

Any State that becomes a member of EFTA has an obligation to apply to become a party to EFTA’s existing free trade agreements according to Article 56 of the EFTA Convention. The accession of a new Member State to our FTAs can only be negotiated with the consent of the other party or parties to the agreement. All of our FTAs include provisions that regulate the accession to the FTA in question, stipulating that terms and conditions have to be agreed upon by the acceding Party and all existing Parties to the FTA.
 

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