Brexit, for once some facts.
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Historic nonsense from long ago, you do know Dickens is dead I hope?
Like so many "up north", you suffer from the delusion that London has always been the City of London, full of suit wearing office workers. Here's the truth for your education:
Only a very small part of London, namely the central City of London, was as you imagine. That is the smallest segment of its huge size. London was for very long and until recently a major manufacturing city, much more so your Northern towns and even many of your cities. We made trucks, buses, cars, vans, motor cycles; even aircraft and defence weapons, plus a vast range of other fringe industries in many huge industrial estates.
In Ford we had the world's most compehensive car factory that ever existed with 40,000 workers at its peak in 1953. For comparison, your largest up north is Nissan with 7,000. And we even had coal mining in the south east too, shut down by Thatcher.
All of our London industries declined in parallel with your Northern and Midlands ones, but we then changed tactics to create our major services industry. That's so recent it's mostly since Thatcher, nothing to do with the past you are living in.
For your further education, most of the previous services like insurance that you mention were shipped out from London to the regions to help them, mainly by Thatcher. So were so many government offices too, and head offices were encouraged to move out too by grants etc. Our most recent loss in my borough was Nestle at a cost of 4000 jobs.
It was all this and following the City "big bang" that prompted London to create our new services export industry worth £50 billions a year, but now threatened by the stupidity of Brexit, thanks to the Midlands and North of England.
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80 = 40 in Ireland. To convert from English to Irish you divide by the number of leaves on a four leaf clover and then double the result. Simple.
Very true, at least Scotland's former mining communities remain Tory free zones.
As I said it is a seesaw. The 40 more he got over the mid point makes a DIFFERENCE of 80. But it is 40 in a group of 650 . The effect is the same in any legisture, but First Passed the Post model amplifies the rate at which marginal gains at constituency level affect the overall. In a Multiseat PR system, the Tories would certainly have won a majority, but it would not be as decisive
Have you a link for a source for that - IIRC he resigned over TM's soft Brexit
July 2018 - Boris Johnson has quit as foreign secretary, claiming in his resignation letterthat the UK was headed “for the status of a colony” if Theresa May’s soft Brexit plans were adopted.
He didn’t vote against the deal. He voted against May to weaken her. He wanted and successfully took her job.
I suppose we shall see in the coming days whether my thoughts are correct.
Perhaps you could help advise me? I am 75 and my wife is 76 and has advanced Mixed Dementia.
Which insurance company do you recommend?
How do you think this will resonate with newly converted "Workington man"?
Just categorising people who live there with a stereotype indicates the Tories and media regard them as something like Neanderthals.
Anyway Boris promised , but seems to have accidentally left it out of the Manifesto
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/social-care/press-release/alzheimers-society/105556/boris-johnson-vows-fix
"New Prime Minister Boris Johnson promised to fix the "crisis" in social care "once and for all" with a clear plan to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve, as he spoke in Downing Street.
Sally Copley, Director of Policy and Campaigns at Alzheimer’s Society, says:
“It is hugely encouraging to hear the Prime Minister promise to fix the social care crisis in his first address to the nation. It is abundantly clear that swift and decisive action is needed – care reform has been ignored for decades and the system is on its knees.
“The commitment to protect people from having to sell their homes and give older people the respect they are owed is long awaited and one that we will hold the PM and his Government to account for. "
And where does that stand now?
"We are going to sit down with the other parties and try to come up with an idea."
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I think we all understand the mechanics of the numbers, if 40 vote against their leader etc. However, when a party has 80 more voting MPs than all of the other parties put together, we here, call that an 80 seat majority. It’s just the way things roll.
he used to defend Derek Hatton & Co, who run a trotskyist group called Militant. He did not seek approval from the blue collar workers, preferring a hypothetical transfer of income from the top 5% earners. He did not visit Wales and Scotland during last campaign. I could go on but you see where I come from.
He lost votes from those whose support he did not seek. Maybe he assumed that us, blue collar workers like white van man of Basildon back in Thatcher's days, are bound to vote for him. It's obvious with the benefit of hindsight.
I see myself as a blue collar worker, only small time capitalist by necessity. I pay normal taxes like most blue collar workers and I don't see how he would benefit me.
A great policy called National Insurance. I know we have been giving away free treatment to people who haven’t taken out a policy and this has caused some deterioration in the level of cover. But I guess that’s tough titty.
New Zealand for example make you have a full medical to expose any pre-existing conditions before you can go there to live or work. This is to protect their policy holders. Of course such action is being a racist fcuking bastard (to use left wing speak) if you apply it to anyone entering the U.K.
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Remember my earlier jest where I said "Give him long enough and he'll be voting for remain?"
Thats easy. You and me alike are too old and bad risks now. No chance of getting insurance to pay for care, but my daughters and grand kids should take it out if it becomes possible.
We, re fecked now OG. Just waiting for judgement day but hopefully enjoying the ride if possible.
As for paying for care homes. Feck that, cheaper to go on long time cruises. Feel bad one morning... Feed the sharks. Obviuosly partly said in jest but not completely.
Go look in Jamaica, Madeira, Goa. Cheap long term hotels, some of then full of old goats like us paying loads less than rip off care homes.
Madeira airport security gets blocked with Zimmers, walking sticks and boxes of medication.Airport geared up for it. Loads of porters pushing sick, lame or lazy through the place. Our hotel was much nore akin to a care home. And I aint joking. Honestly, check out prices.
But yes, we should have to take out insurance for care but like 50(our racistfking bastard) says, isnt it called National Insurance?? Not sure. Flecc will know, he knows everything.Some of it correct even, as opposed to yours and mine which is utter bo!! ox.
Good luck mate. I know you are struggling a bit.
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But all beside the point I made, the falsity of the Tory claims about Corbyn's program and it's costs. It was no more extreme than many in mainland Europe.
Any hint of true socialism and the Tories set out to crucify. It's a parallel of Macarthyism in the USA when any hint of left was branded communism and condemned, with the public foolishly believing it. Just as in the USA from then on, the future for any socialism looks bleak in Britain.
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I think he is a remainer, leave has been a convenient vehicle into number 10 for him.
This is the type of new Tory MP voted in this elective dictatorship
Lee Anderson: "nuisance tenants" should be forced to live in tents in a field and pick potatoes at 6am.
So once EU migrants can't be used for scapegoating how long before Tories turn more inward to plug the gap...
Remember from 2016
Tory minister Owen Paterson 'wanted UK pensioners to be low-wage fruit pickers' ... We'll try to get more British pensioners picking some of the fruit and .... the elderly and disabled...fruit picking at below minimum wage pay.
Owen Paterson reelected with a bigger majority - how long before these ideas filter through and become policy.
my point is he assumes that blue collar workers will vote Labour, no matter what. That's simply no longer true since John Major's days.
He's a relic, way beyond retirement.
The next Labour leader will have to go back to seek support of blue collar workers, they are their true roots, not pipedreamers' socialism.
There is some merit in your cruise idea. I’ve never been on one, couldn’t stand the other passengers blowing off about who they know, or how successful they are. I’d probably go on a killing spree, so can’t go cruising.
But if it’s a cruise or nursing home / aided care, I’d probably take the cruise.
Think our regional argument is silly, ok I might have started it, with the silver lining post, but its like a kidney getting jealous of the lung for the amount of blood its using.All body parts need blood, all regions need investment and care. I suspect the north has had less of both but I live here and rarely visit London. Dont like to be far from sea, lakes, hills and friendly northerners. (smiley face)