BJ promised not to extend the transition period.
That's enough compromise for the ERG.
New opportunity for them to short the Pound again next year same time.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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That's enough compromise for the ERG.
New opportunity for them to short the Pound again next year same time.
I don't know when Labour elect a new leader but LD will be reborn in the new year.
Unlike last time, let’s hope this one is a normal pregnancy with no birth defects.
You said he was under influence of Adam Smith Insitute. Utter utter rubbish. At best he might read their utterences. (like abolishing any drug laws)Didn't you see OJ's comments?
And as was pointed out this morning The Conservatives are a coalition, not simply Cummings policy instrument
and you imagine he is free as a bird to do what he likes?
With a party where there are lobbyist funds from clashing interests behind his MP's?
That was what nobbled him last time and will again.
You let your obvious bias, preconceptions slant every single post.
In comparison to his position pre election, to that of May, he is as free as a bird. He can and will ignore any singe group, he is even thinking of not even having JRM in cabinet. The DUP as strong lever over Tories have gone. His lobbyists now are in love with him. He, s just won Tories a landslide victory. In Tory eyes, he, s now a hero. Labour are dead. SDP leader less.
Accept it OG. Tories havent won they have decimated all opposition. There is none. But because of his "loan" of labour voters he might just deliver on his promises. Give him time to fail, or succeed, not doing so makes you look very obsessed,well more obsessed. And its pointless. He is in a stronger position than any PM for decades but he faces many many challenges. (Brexit, economy, NHS, Scotland, SNP assuming independance /ref.)
But so what if he upsets any of them. Who can oust him as Tory leader. Nobody. Which Party can oust Tories. There isnt one.
Yes, he will feel as free as a bird this morning. He, s just on his way up here to thank us all for putting him in that position. (Rothervalley, first time Conservative ever, since 1918)
Wake up OG. There has just been biggest watershed moment in Tory history. A complete new socioeconomic group have just put allegiance to Tories. He wants, needs to keep them happy. Nobody else.
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LD: +4%
Green: +1%
SNP: +1%
They account for 6% of -7.8% Labour vote loss. The BXP added the 2%.
Bojo did achieve tactical win but not necessarily through popular votes.
He, s in office with an 80 majority Woosh. He wont care. Fact is as things are at moment his position is unassailable,both from his position as Tory leader and PM.
And much as I agree they have not added to their popular vote (gone up only 1%) it has changed. Hence my reference to Rothervalley, Durham, Wakefield, Wokington etc etc. That is situations only saving grace. He does need to keep that new support.
Yes it did. in 2017:
Tories: 318 seats, Labour 262 seats.
The SNP had fallen back to 35 back then so Labour wasn't as deprived of so many seats up there.
Now with the SNP getting 55 seats, that 20 more made a big difference in what was once a Labour stronghold. Add the handful in the Leave areas switching from Labour to Tory to "getBrexit done" and you have the 2019 result
You're all so obsessed with repeating the media lies about Corbyn that you've failed to see all the other aspects of what is going on.
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that pendulum may, no, will, swing back at the next GE after JC has gone.
people may want the things that JC offers but not JC himself.
He befriends the wrong people and can't answer back at PMQs, just not good enough to be PM.
I very much doubt labour can get their act together within 5 years - so I'd say we've got - at least - ten years of Tory rule ahead.
The media lies have not helped Corbyn, and they should not be tolerated in modern society but they are definitely not the root cause of Labours demise. Assuming it is, is very dangerous for Labour. The same will happen next GE. Labour must change, even McCluskey is saying same now and he is part of problem. Current labour are actually more dominated by Union power than ever yet there is a massive divide between the workers and those very unions. People do not want a labour party dominated by people they see as radical, extreme.
Labour can either face this head on, change and move forward or carry on blaming all and sundry and drift into oblivion. I suspect the latter.
Take for example the photo of DA and her shoes. If false, its terrible and all involved should be prosecuted. If true, well I dont think she should be in office anyway. But the fact remains people see it as possible and that she is not actually competent, has made numerous blunders and is probably there through a close relationship with Corbyn. They assassinate themselves.
Then look at Corbyn. Campaigned for United Ireland. Supported Palestinians. Perhaps both worthy
but not the actions of a future PM. He is politically niave. He starts all the bad press. The media just add to it.
And his pretence of Council house tennant, allotment grower, flat capped down to earth "poor" member of society is a bigger fraud than BJ. He is from a reltively wealthy family. Its all part of his act.
Labour must change and quickly otherwise OJ is correct. We will get another 10 years of tory rule.
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Kinnock kicked out Militant, Blair got new labour elected.
I would like to see Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper and Ed Miliband rebuild a more centrist Labour movement for the blue collar workers, not just those who constantly need help.
Agreed. But you need to lose this silly obsession with Corbyn and stop repeating the media lies.
Then you'll see that the real reason for Labour being unable to win is the rise of the SNP in recent decades. As I've pointed out, without the Scottish vote that was once Labour's, they cannot win against the dominance of the Tories in the south of England.
And as I've already posted, even Blair would not have won without his huge Scottish vote in the days when the SNP were irrelevant. Blair's governments were very Scottish, full of Scottish ministers from the chancellor down.
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No. He is in with a 40 seat majority.. the loss or gain of a seat means 2 votes on critical issues either way.